ringswraith wrote:The Dark Knight wrote:***Actually they got lucky to have escaped with their skins on. All the Voltaire had to do is take out Bella and the rest would have fallen quickly. A few guards at best expended.
You underestimate the other side. If the Volturi thought the way you did about the encounter, things would not have resolved the way they did in the book. You have one side whose powers are all neutralized versus another with all their powers intact. Sure Bella was the weakest link, but do you honestly think they would leave her undefended? And don't forget Zafrina's ability to rob them of their senses.
***Maybe, if all things are left equal, remember once Aro understood that the shield was only mental and not a physical bearier he knew how to win. One phospherous grenade or a few why not have fun and Bella's shield is down. Again your thinking of terms of fair play, Aro is about winning.The Dark Knight wrote:***That's given that the more powerful covens find out in time. If not they could be destroyed quickly and quietly before anyone get's the wiser. Once done the Voltaire’s would have no issue writing the history about how the bad Covens need to be dealt with because of XYZ pretext. Who would be able to say otherwise and live?
Not with Alice around. All the covens are on the alert now after the confrontation. And no one is going to believe any story they put up for destroying the Cullens- certainly not anyone who was at the confrontation. Maggie and that other vampire on the witness party made sure of that.
***Alice can't be all thing to everyone. Besides their are numerous ways to get around her gift. Liner thinking will get you killed, Multiple attacks at the same time. They are endless ways this can work.The Dark Knight wrote:***Actually SM even mentions that many vampires think the Veggie life style is an abomination. Edward mentions that to Bella in a back handed way in Twilight. The Vampire credo is to live off the human cattle not the farm animals of their prey. The Voltaire’s can use that prejudice to create unrest with that lifestyle. Thus giving rise to a pretext later or a Vampire law change. This is a basic move in warfare, it's called isolating your enemy with propaganda. The Denali sisters are on the list to be dealt with you know.
Since when are grizzly bears, mountain lions, et al "farm animals of their prey"? What you're saying is akin to fanatics being prejudiced against minority groups. And what happens when the fanatics take action against the minority? Other people step in. And if the Denalis are on this list simply for being vegetarian, they should have been dead long ago. Remember, they're older than Carlisle, and the event with their mother occurred prior to his meeting them, if I recall correctly.
***They are both pretty good. I didn't drawn this year for Bear or Deer but I did get an Elk tag. Mountain Lions hunting is for the young, with my left leg issue I just can't keep up with the dogs on a 10 mile run. Use to but not anymore. The term "farm animals" is regretable, should have said food sorce instead. By the way all forms of prejudism is fanatical to someone. Your missing the point, it can be used with a coordinated propaganda/law change to bring down the Cullen's and vamps like them.The Dark Knight wrote:***Need a reason, no they can trump one up as needed. Again, to the victor the spoils, and in this case the ability to write the history as they want it to read.
Then clearly we cannot agree on this point. Because I just cannot see them taking action first and then fabricating stories later.
***If they are the bad guys you make them out to be, then why can't you see them going all the way...it strengthen's your point. Have you ever played the game paranoid? It's even funner to play in a military psych war class. It will open you up to any possiblity.The Dark Knight wrote:***Ring you may want to read a few books on this subject. The Art of War by Tzu Su, The Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi and the Prince by Machiavelli. They are great reads and they might help you understand the Voltaire mindset. This engagement is but the first one in the war to come. That’s what the Romanians meant when they left in BD.
I understand their mindset. Which is why I'm saying destroying the Cullens is completely unneccessary and will only lead to their downfall should they act upon it. (And yes, those are great books. I haven't read them personally but have heard some of their content.)
***Well Rings, without reading them you miss what this discussion is all about (world domination). To me and I may be all wet here, your not anywhere close to the Volturi mindset which is OK by me. Nothing is off the table with them upto and including a nuke if it serves their purpose. I guess we will never see eye to eye on this.