Hello Everyone
, I am responding to everyone’s post.
Jazz Girl ~ I think Nessie is proof that human-Rosalie would have been a great mother. Her shallowness is at an all-time high in her vampire state and she manages to effortlessly love and dote on her spotlight-steeling-niece. How much more with her own child or children? Children have a way of humbling loving parents who once were or are self-centered. Also, Rosalie was not the only one protecting Nessie while in the womb, Esme and Bella were too. Just curious, what do you think extremely-nurturing Esme’s motivations were for protecting Nessie while in Bella’s womb? I believe they were ALL fighting for the sanctity of an unborn life in their own respective ways.
I like when Rosalie says, “But there will never be more than the two of us. And I’ll never sit on a porch somewhere, with him gray-haired by my side, surrounded by our grandchildren.” I don’t know if you watch reality shows, but I’ve seen a few where wealthy people have cooks, maids and other hired help, and the parents absolutely adore their children and are devoted to them, though they are sometimes very shallow about their appearances and other areas. As the cute song from Faith Hill says, “A baby changes everything”. I just don’t see why human-Rosalie, whether rich or poor, could not be happy or ecstatic as a human mother, regardless of her character weaknesses.
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corona
corona wrote: VS, After reading your other comments, I have to say you convinced me, Rosalie is a "Jacob girl".
Much of what you said mirrored the arguments for Bella choosing Jacob. Ironic, isn't it?
[**giggles**] To answer your question, YES very much so.
corona wrote: I get your point, though. Assuming that Rosalie literally means it when she says she wishes someone had voted NO for her, even with Emmett sitting right there beside her, then she would rather be in the grave than living the life she has with Emmett. And she does repeat that view in EC. If so, then all other considerations are moot.
Exactly. Though, you do bring up very good points that I want to respond to.
corona wrote: Emmett's view of Rosalie isn't going to be the view of other human men necessarily. She was incredibly lucky in that regard. I fear she may end up in a loveless marriage. I'm not saying another Royce, but what kind of men is she going to attract?
Okay, I am trying to understand why you doubt Rosalie could get another loving husband. I’ve seen plenty of beautiful, high-maintenance, self-absorbed women in real life (lower-middle-class level) and on TV(extremely upper-class level), who have a loving husband who never gets tired of doting and catering to their every whim. I don’t see Rosalie having a problem loving and being involved with someone like that at all. Men have these kinds of women all the time.
Regarding Rosalie and Redemption:
I don’t see Rosalie's or Esme’s, for that matter, desires to be mothers as a means of wanting to acquire redemption. Many (though not all) women desperately desire to be mothers, especially the ones that have difficulty becoming one. I thought Rosalie's and Esme's desire for motherhood was natural, though probably intensified, and not created, by their vampire state. Which always explained, for me anyway, Sasha’s behavior in creating her immortal child.
Lastly, your PS is comical as usual.
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Tornado If I may, keeping in mind we are discussing Esme’s and Rosalie’s motherhood perspective, I would like to begin by making the following 3 points first:
From a human perspective there is nothing wrong with wanting to adopt babies and there is nothing wrong with wanting to adopt preteens and teenagers. In addition, there is nothing wrong with preferring one or the other more. I feel the same applies to the vampires and more so because their feelings were intensified due to their vampire change. A good example of this as I mentioned earlier in this post, is Sasha and her immortal child. Further, IMO, it is not wrong to NOT want to settle for either one. It’s just a matter of preference.
Secondly, regarding being a mother of human-children verses a mother of vampire-preteens and teenagers long term:
I kindly and respectfully say, there are plenty of mothers who would rather have one day or one year with their infant child, whether adopted or not, than no days at all. IMO, they wouldn’t trade the opportunity for the world. Also, from what Rosalie says in EC she seems like she would have enjoyed being surrounded by her and Emmett's grandkids immensely. Which is another sweetener to the already sweet deal that motherhood
could be, even with its’ stressful and strenuous long hours.
Lastly, regarding Carlisle and Esme being parents:
Esme was fortunate that her husband was capable of siring. Subsequently, giving her the opportunity of becoming a mother to young adults. When Rosalie is giving advice to Bella to drop Edward and remain human, at this point of the story, Rosalie does not have and IMO, will not ever have, what Esme has even if she wanted it. Though, IMO, that is NOT what Rosalie wants anyway.
However, let’s say she did want what Esme has, Emmett is nowhere near being capable of siring anyone and Rosalie lost it at the sight and smell of Bella’s blood while delivering the child she so desperately was protecting. Even if she wanted to adopt vampire preteens or teenagers that’s an option not available to her the conventional vampire way and probably for centuries, if at all.
Further, even if Carlisle agreed to sire someone so Rosalie could be his/her mother, the individual may prefer Carlisle and Esme be the parents and not Rosalie and Emmett or the individual may prefer not to have parents at all. And that’s if Carlisle consents to:
1.siring a non-consenting dying human again;
2. for the sole purpose of giving Rosalie motherhood and
3. possibly having to sire another non-consenting dying individual to be the mate of Rosalie’s teenage child. And so on and so on.
Furthermore, I know the individual could be fortunate enough to find a yellow-eyed mate (which would be a first, though not impossible) or convince a red-eyed vampire to convert, like Garret. But, IMO, I just don’t think Rosalie, who believes the grave is better than a somewhat-happy vampire life, would want this for her child especially, being that there is, IMO,
NO motherhood-vampire-bond strong enough to make the individual content about their vampire life. Mopey Rosalie and Edward, (Edward, who looks up to Carlisle reverently), are examples for me that such a bond does NOT exist. [EDIT: I mean, the parent/child-vampire-bond
ALONE strong enough to make a yellow-eyed vampire content does not exist.] Edward's and Rosalie's mates had alot to do with their contentment as vampires.