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E&BForever wrote:I have two questions: First what made Carlisle save Edward, after his parents died? Could he just not bear losing Edward after he lost his parents, or before his parents died, did they make him promise, he'd do ANYTHING to save him? Does the book ever mention what Edward's name was, before he was a vampire? Also, Edward mentioned he'd killed people. Has ever said specifically if he has ever killed innocent people?(Basically did he ever just go crazy and attack people?)
Chantell

Lunna-san wrote:

E&BForever wrote:I have two questions: First what made Carlisle save Edward, after his parents died? Could he just not bear losing Edward after he lost his parents, or before his parents died, did they make him promise, he'd do ANYTHING to save him? Does the book ever mention what Edward's name was, before he was a vampire? Also, Edward mentioned he'd killed people. Has ever said specifically if he has ever killed innocent people?(Basically did he ever just go crazy and attack people?)
Chantell

Well, Chantell, most of your questions are answered in the beginning of New Moon. Carlsle decided turning Edward after his mother - Elizabeth Masen - made him promiss to do anything he could to save her son. She didn't know he was a vampire, but I believe she knew she was something else. Edward was dying. I think Carlisle looked at him and saw how young he was and he considered Elizabeth's request.... after two centuries living alone, I think he hesitated a lot biting Edward. So, yes, part of the reason was Elizabeth and also himself.

Edward's full name is Edward Anthony Masen Cullen
Thanks! I thought it was something like that.

http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=18

I think Edward, in Twilight or Eclipse said he passed through some rebel years. He couldn't understand why he couldn't feed of humans, if they were bad. So, yes, he was like Batman and Angel for a while, hunting perps in streets. But I think even them haunted him, so he decided going back home. After that, he went back to the veggie diet.

twilight1909 wrote:Even during Edward's dark years, he only hunted on evil people such as murderers, rapists, etc. Exactly like the men Bella encountered in Port Angeles.

malaz wrote:

twilight1909 wrote:Even during Edward's dark years, he only hunted on evil people such as murderers, rapists, etc. Exactly like the men Bella encountered in Port Angeles.

that's very interesting.

i find it funny and interesting at the same time. Funny because Edward got mad at Carlisle for "curbing his appetiete (sp)" therefore he left to go his own way. The quote is funny.
and interesting, because i was so surprised that Edward would do something like that. I like that he only persued the evil and denied the "good" if you shall call it. I wonder why it took him so long. Ten years. that's alot of people killed.
Does it bother anybody?
It doesn't for me, i don't have much problem with vampires killing humans. hey, it's "their natural food-source" woah, I becoming more like Aro - ahem, well...i don't blame Edward. I mean eat away, "ME FIRST!!" i certainly wouldn't mind if he was the one delivering it...

Lunna-san wrote:

E&BForever wrote:I have two questions: First what made Carlisle save Edward, after his parents died? Could he just not bear losing Edward after he lost his parents, or before his parents died, did they make him promise, he'd do ANYTHING to save him? Does the book ever mention what Edward's name was, before he was a vampire? Also, Edward mentioned he'd killed people. Has ever said specifically if he has ever killed innocent people?(Basically did he ever just go crazy and attack people?)
Chantell

Well, Chantell, most of your questions are answered in the beginning of New Moon. Carlsle decided turning Edward after his mother - Elizabeth Masen - made him promiss to do anything he could to save her son. She didn't know he was a vampire, but I believe she knew she was something else. Edward was dying. I think Carlisle looked at him and saw how young he was and he considered Elizabeth's request.... after two centuries living alone, I think he hesitated a lot biting Edward. So, yes, part of the reason was Elizabeth and also himself.

Edward's full name is Edward Anthony Masen Cullen
Should be interesting to see some of what happened to Edward before he became a vampire. I know maybe his mother didn't know Carlisle was a vampire, but I guess she really did mean ANYTHING to save her child. I guess it was a last resort on Carlisle's part, because that was the only way to save his life?
Chantell
http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=18

I think Edward, in Twilight or Eclipse said he passed through some rebel years. He couldn't understand why he couldn't feed of humans, if they were bad. So, yes, he was like Batman and Angel for a while, hunting perps in streets. But I think even them haunted him, so he decided going back home. After that, he went back to the veggie diet.

velvet_voice wrote:

malaz wrote:

twilight1909 wrote:Does it bother anybody?
It doesn't for me, i don't have much problem with vampires killing humans. hey, it's "their natural food-source" woah, I becoming more like Aro - ahem, well...i don't blame Edward. I mean eat away, "ME FIRST!!" i certainly wouldn't mind if he was the one delivering it...

It doesn't bother me. The important thing is that he dicided to return and live like Carlisle because he didn't want to be a monster. I have to agree with you, that I don't have a problem with vampires killing humans either but I admire the Cullens for trying to be better. It's amazing how they fight against their nature because they want to be something else, not the monsters they are designed to be.

vampbball wrote:

velvet_voice wrote:

malaz wrote:

twilight1909 wrote:Does it bother anybody?
It doesn't for me, i don't have much problem with vampires killing humans. hey, it's "their natural food-source" woah, I becoming more like Aro - ahem, well...i don't blame Edward. I mean eat away, "ME FIRST!!" i certainly wouldn't mind if he was the one delivering it...

It doesn't bother me. The important thing is that he dicided to return and live like Carlisle because he didn't want to be a monster. I have to agree with you, that I don't have a problem with vampires killing humans either but I admire the Cullens for trying to be better. It's amazing how they fight against their nature because they want to be something else, not the monsters they are designed to be.

See, it really bothers me. Not the killing of murderers, but I agree with Edward and Carlisle (and Jacob) that vampires are monsters. Human life is sacred, and predators of humans should be eliminated whenever they pose a threat to human life.

Which is why I was always a little surprised that Bella didn't pick Jacob over Edward. Jacob is committed to protecting human life; Edward isn't. (Neither are the rest of the Cullens; they want to protect their consciences and their way of life.) He loves Bella and so protects her, but he's no anti-vampire vigilante. The Cullens get away with not allowing other vampires to hunt near Forks because it's their territory. But if they were away from home? Would they stop vampire murders? And if they did, what would be the Volturi's response?

All that said, this is why I like Edward, Carlisle, and Alice (and now Eleazar and Carmen), because they truly do mourn the loss of human life, even if they aren't in a position to intercede on a human's behalf against another vampire.

Tessalc wrote:

vampbball wrote:

velvet_voice wrote:

malaz wrote:

twilight1909 wrote:Does it bother anybody?
It doesn't for me, i don't have much problem with vampires killing humans. hey, it's "their natural food-source" woah, I becoming more like Aro - ahem, well...i don't blame Edward. I mean eat away, "ME FIRST!!" i certainly wouldn't mind if he was the one delivering it...

It doesn't bother me. The important thing is that he dicided to return and live like Carlisle because he didn't want to be a monster. I have to agree with you, that I don't have a problem with vampires killing humans either but I admire the Cullens for trying to be better. It's amazing how they fight against their nature because they want to be something else, not the monsters they are designed to be.

See, it really bothers me. Not the killing of murderers, but I agree with Edward and Carlisle (and Jacob) that vampires are monsters. Human life is sacred, and predators of humans should be eliminated whenever they pose a threat to human life.

Which is why I was always a little surprised that Bella didn't pick Jacob over Edward. Jacob is committed to protecting human life; Edward isn't. (Neither are the rest of the Cullens; they want to protect their consciences and their way of life.) He loves Bella and so protects her, but he's no anti-vampire vigilante. The Cullens get away with not allowing other vampires to hunt near Forks because it's their territory. But if they were away from home? Would they stop vampire murders? And if they did, what would be the Volturi's response?

All that said, this is why I like Edward, Carlisle, and Alice (and now Eleazar and Carmen), because they truly do mourn the loss of human life, even if they aren't in a position to intercede on a human's behalf against another vampire.

I'm not so sure on this one! Carlisle was committed from day one to protecting human life! I don't think he has ever fed on a human! I can see where you're coming from about the the vampires and covens, but I guess its a bit like a religion! If you were a human-eating vampire, you wouldn't want the Cullen's preaching to you about a different lifestyle, anymore then a Christian would want a Jew preaching to them?!?