Re: Jacob Black #2
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:05 am
I think that they're both equally attractive as young gentlemen. What I particularly admire about Rob is his intriguing facial structure. In my opinion, Taylor Lautner doesn't have Rob's slightly enchanting quality due to his rather mysterious face. Rather, Taylor has a more “typical” type of beauty, if you understand my meaning. He is beautiful, yes, but his beauty isn’t as poetic as Rob’s face. All fans should be able to agree that Taylor and Rob were both fascinating in Rolling Stone and Vanity Fair, respectively.holdingoutforjacob wrote:I'm going to be really annoying and say that, IMO, Taylor Lautner is WAY more attractive than Robert Pattinson. I got my issue of Rolling Stone with him on the cover today and couldn't breathe. No lie. But that's clearly NOT why I like the character of Jacob better!!!
I do like what Jacob represents better than Edward though. Wolves are designed for protection, to keep bad things away. I like that, I need that. I also like the idea of Jacob as the sun, the warmth, a simple, understated love. It's really really just a personal preference thing for me, in terms of Jacob vs. Edward.
Yeah, I can definitely clarify that, I knew I'd need to. What I mean is that the enmity between them is not felt as strongly by vampires as it is by wolves. The Cullens look down upon the wolves, for sure. But that's all, really. Whereas the wolves, or the Quileutes, have a fierce prejudice against the "Cold Ones" who did them so much harm. So, the Pack has made the Cullens their sworn enemies, but the Cullens don't have that same ingrained distrust and hatred. Does that make sense? I'm sorry I'm so bad at explaining myself!
You are absolutely right in that the second half of Eclipse sees a huge "bettering" of Edward's attitude towards the Pack. It's just that Jacob can't see this, because Edward and Jacob aren't together in any sort of companionable way again. The tent scene is a start, but obviously that gets fouled up too! That's not to say this change in Edward isn't important - it allows for the co-existance in battle and the subsequent bond in New Moon. The sending of the invitation is one of my favorite things that Edward does, btw.
Edward did not despise Jacob as a personal thing, you're right. But Jacob did despise Edward as a personal thing. Everything I said in my previous post was from Jacob's POV, with his knowledge, how he would perceive Edward's actions. Make more sense now? The Edward driving thing could be interpreted as Edward still doesn't trust him enough to let Bella drive there on her own. Based off the previous experiences, if I were Jacob, I'd go with that. Again, he doesn't know what went down between Bella and Edward after she runs away to see him you know? The pairing with the tribe was to fight off a common enemy out of necessity, so I'm not sure that Jacob would take that as a softening towards him by Edward, especially after the previous events. I think the real turning point was the invitation.
I never thought of Edward interpreting Alice's loss of vision of Bella as her being in danger, rather, he knew it was just because of the wolves, but thought it dangerous that he couldn't see her at all times. You could be right though.
I want to point something out that you may not be aware of. In "Being Jacob Black" (it's like a Jacob fan's bible, so much information!) he says in the beginning how he feels bad for Edward, having to interrupt during the prom in Twilight. It's when he sees what's happened to Bella in New Moon that that loathing starts, and I don't think it can stop until Bella's safe and he no longer loves her, as much as they begin to work through it during BD.
Oh, in the grand scheme of things, Seth's reaction carries a HUGE significance. I just mean in terms of relations between Edward and Jacob. So there's not much else to say there except that I agree! I don't think there has ever been a precedent for this, actually.
I do believe that Edward represents a simple love, which is shown when he is alone with Bella. Of course, he’s only described to be anything but simplistic due to the fact that our main descriptions of him come from Bella’s specific POV, which is hardly objective. Edward was a mortal from a quieter, more restrained culture with a conservative outlook on romance, which is why he insists on having a proper “courtship” with Bella. Their relationship’s progression is undoubtedly old-fashioned.I do like what Jacob represents better than Edward though. Wolves are designed for protection, to keep bad things away. I like that, I need that. I also like the idea of Jacob as the sun, the warmth, a simple, understated love. It's really really just a personal preference thing for me, in terms of Jacob vs. Edward.
Yes, that does make sense. Thanks for the clarification.Yeah, I can definitely clarify that, I knew I'd need to. What I mean is that the enmity between them is not felt as strongly by vampires as it is by wolves. The Cullens look down upon the wolves, for sure. But that's all, really. Whereas the wolves, or the Quileutes, have a fierce prejudice against the "Cold Ones" who did them so much harm. So, the Pack has made the Cullens their sworn enemies, but the Cullens don't have that same ingrained distrust and hatred. Does that make sense? I'm sorry I'm so bad at explaining myself!
Perhaps this ingrained distrust and hatred extended to all vampires? I do believe that Jacob was slightly prejudiced against the Cullens, despite the fact that they were as gracious as any human could be, due to his specific upbringing. He couldn't acknowledge the humanity beneath their unusually pale exterior, and so he believed that Bella would no longer retain what he loved the most about her after the transformation. Renesmee, the daughter of his "enemy" and a supposedly dangerous representation of what he loathed the most about Bella's pairing with Edward, also represented the turning point for his views about how pure and wholesome certain immortals could be, I think.
(Incidentally, I’m looking forward to seeing music legend Peter Murphy as the “Cold One” who is responsible for this aforementioned enmity between the shapeshifters and vampires. That was always a fascinating section for me in Eclipse.)
Seth’s reaction could have convinced Jacob that proper interaction was possible between his kind and the “filthy bloodsuckers”, as he would say. He seemed to be concerned about losing Bella, which would result in the shattering of their friendship. However, the bond that burgeoned between Seth and Edward directly contradicted Jacob’s belief that he would be left in the dark due to his obligation to regard any vampire with neutral indifference until given a reason to do otherwise.Oh, in the grand scheme of things, Seth's reaction carries a HUGE significance. I just mean in terms of relations between Edward and Jacob. So there's not much else to say there except that I agree! I don't think there has ever been a precedent for this, actually.
Jacob should have been a bit more curious, but he was able to change his ways during the events of Breaking Dawn.
I think that this was due to Edward misinterpreting Alice's inability to see Bella's future after the reservation. That could have meant death and the subsequent blackening of her mind. Then again, Edward was able to change his ways.Edward driving thing could be interpreted as Edward still doesn't trust him enough to let Bella drive there on her own. Based off the previous experiences, if I were Jacob, I'd go with that. Again, he doesn't know what went down between Bella and Edward after she runs away to see him you know? The pairing with the tribe was to fight off a common enemy out of necessity, so I'm not sure that Jacob would take that as a softening towards him by Edward, especially after the previous events. I think the real turning point was the invitation.
EDIT: Strangely enough, I believe that the most compelling story of leaving behind humanity didn't come from Jacob's effort, but from the heartbreaking story of Rosalie's mortal life before everything came crashing down. After that, I strongly believe that Bella was able to take a hard look at what she was leaving behind to become Rosalie's "sister", so to say.