Re: Twilight Speculation thread
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:05 pm
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that's why I called on her to answer...
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SenorGimp, you don't need my help. I'm pretty sure you have the way of it here. Shape shifting is their supernatural talent. But, I do think there is a secondary factor. It seems to me that all of the supernatural gifts we know of, from Edward's mind reading to Jane's burning gaze to Kate's shocking ability, are based in the mind. They are controlled through thought. When the pack phases, two things happen: 1) they are less controlled by their mind and more by their instincts (that's why Alice cant's see them), and 2) they share a common mind. Each of those factors taken individually would make it really hard to control an ability through thought. Put them together, and it would be nigh on impossible. So, their shape shifting ability is the extend of their special abilities.SenorGimp wrote:Or maybe it's the fact that the werewolves (shape-shifters) are basically as strong as Vampires when in their human form (witness Bella breaking her hand on Jacob's human face), so the very fact that they can phase at all could, conceivably be considered a quantifiable supernatural talent...
I don't know...
Jazz Girl, help me out here!
Bravo Jazz Girl. *claps* You always have awesome responses and continue to amaze me.Jazz Girl wrote:SenorGimp, you don't need my help. I'm pretty sure you have the way of it here. Shape shifting is their supernatural talent. But, I do think there is a secondary factor. It seems to me that all of the supernatural gifts we know of, from Edward's mind reading to Jane's burning gaze to Kate's shocking ability, are based in the mind. They are controlled through thought. When the pack phases, two things happen: 1) they are less controlled by their mind and more by their instincts (that's why Alice cant's see them), and 2) they share a common mind. Each of those factors taken individually would make it really hard to control an ability through thought. Put them together, and it would be nigh on impossible. So, their shape shifting ability is the extend of their special abilities.SenorGimp wrote:Or maybe it's the fact that the werewolves (shape-shifters) are basically as strong as Vampires when in their human form (witness Bella breaking her hand on Jacob's human face), so the very fact that they can phase at all could, conceivably be considered a quantifiable supernatural talent...
I don't know...
Jazz Girl, help me out here!
That's a good point. In fact that may be why Leah phased in the first place, because the species is evolving to include female wolves. Maybe Leah isn't a genetic dead-end and she'll have a daughter who will also become a wolf.edward x lover wrote:^^Also those vampire/wolves don't HAVE to be men either. Just look at Leah.
Stephenie Meyer said that Jacob had actually fallen in love with Bella, not just drawn to her follicle. The love just wouldn't bloom on Bella's end, Jacob would accept that, and if Bella and Edward had a child, he would imprint on the baby. That was Stephenie's basic plan for Forever Dawn, wasn't it?edward x lover wrote:I have another question to throw out there. I know you have been talking about what if Edward wasn't there at all. What if he didn't leave?? Would Bella and Jacob still become friends?? I think they would. He was still drawn to her from the very beginning. Her egg would still be inside her and the male (Edward) to make the baby was still around.
Imprinting is finding the perfect genetic match, according to SM. If Nessie's genetics borrow heavily from Edward's two extra, then she would just be too different if she was completely human and Jacob wouldn't imprint on her, or at all.edward x lover wrote:Also-on the subject of babies-what if Edward was just a human...would (being Jacob would still have competition, Edward still could have torn Bella apart by leaving etc.) Jacob still have imprinted on their child or is Nessie's vampire gene what makes her the prime candidate??
This is where I have always had trouble. I do not at all believe that Jacob's attraction to Bella had anything to do with the little microscopic egg that would become Renesmee. I think that his attraction to Bella was genuine. He loved her, plain and simple. His love for Bella and his impriniting on Renesmee were unrelated. If there had been no supernatural elements in either of their lives, Bella and Jacob would have ended up together. I've talked before about how I think that relationship would have played out. But, it would have happened. I always saw Jacob's imprinting on Renesmee as a kind of replacement prize from fate. The supernatural intervened and took away the girl he was supposed to have, but he got Renesmee instead.who_needs_fangs? wrote:Stephenie Meyer said that Jacob had actually fallen in love with Bella, not just drawn to her follicle. The love just wouldn't bloom on Bella's end, Jacob would accept that, and if Bella and Edward had a child, he would imprint on the baby. That was Stephenie's basic plan for Forever Dawn, wasn't it?edward x lover wrote:I have another question to throw out there. I know you have been talking about what if Edward wasn't there at all. What if he didn't leave?? Would Bella and Jacob still become friends?? I think they would. He was still drawn to her from the very beginning. Her egg would still be inside her and the male (Edward) to make the baby was still around.