Chapter 5: Isle Esme

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Chapter 5: Isle Esme

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Lots of gratitude to Malaz who came through in a real hurry for us and provided these questions!

1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?
I didn't think she would get hurt at all. It suprised me when she woke up with bruises...

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”
I know that he would be horrified.. to see her like that. But she was so happy! He shouldn't have reacted so harshly. He kind of ruined it for her... She woke up expecting him to be happy too.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?
I think that it's because he loves her so much. He's never felt about anyone how he does for Bella.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
I figured Bella would eventually talk him into it lol. She was pretty persistant for a while there... haha. That would be SO hard.
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?
As strange as it may sound, I wasn't expecting her to get hurt at all.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”
I thought he could have handled it a little better when he knew that she was happy. He obviously wasn't intentionally trying to spoil the mood, he just thought that she would have woken up regretting it and maybe be scared of him or something. That's what I imagine he would be thinking about.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?
Well he is extremely generous to his whole family and Bella is now included in that title, but even before then he was generous I just think it's how he is with the people he loves and cares for. He may have learned it from his human life and picked it up from the Carlisle and Esme as well.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
No I thought he was really adamant about his decision with the way he kept her busy during the days and stuff but there's ways around things obviously haha.
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?
I didnt really have any expectations in mind going into it. But i liked the way she was hurt, not too much, but just subtly.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”
I think he was justified in being mad at himself and possibly even regretting making love to her because she got hurt, but I also think that he should have realized Bella's mood and that she wasn't angry at all. So yes, maybe he should have lightened his mood up a bit.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?
Hmm...I think Edward was always this way, somewhat at least. I doubt he got all his genorosity just from being with Carlisle.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
He seemed pretty intent on his position, but I also suspected that Smeyer wouldnt put that part in unless it was going to make some subplot. Plus, i know how stubborn Bella is and how sex crazed she is now so...
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?

I wasn't expecting her to get hurt at all . . . but then again I didn't spend much time thinking about that problem before the book came out.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”

I don't think he was justified exactly, but I think he thought that Bella would have been angry with him for hurting her, so he wouldn't realise he was 'souring her mood' in the first place.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?

I think he must have been generous as a human anyway, but being with Carlisle encouraged and strengthened that trait.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?

Yes. Bella talked him into the whole thing in the first place, when he thought the consequences could be worse than a few bruises, so I knew she would succeed.
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less? I knew that something would happen...but I knew that Edward wouldn't have killed Bella. I actually thought maybe he'd turn her then, but then decided against it.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?” Totally justified. Bella was being silly.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that? I think it has to be. It could have been a character trait of him in his human life that we never saw, but he's had a lot of time in his years to think of what and who he is.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself? Of course.
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?
I thought it was a given that Bella was going to be hurt in some fashion, so the bruises were just the right amount.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”
Edward's reaction was totally justified. I mean come on he did watch as each and every bruise formed, all the while knowing he caused them. Bella's buzz kill was just an unfortunant side effect.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?
I don't think it's a learned behavior, perhaps it's another one of his traits he brought along from his human life that's been intensified.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
Are you kidding, of course he was going to falter. Bella is way to stubborn and persistent to let him get away with keeping that promise.
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?
I thought that she was going to be hurt more but I guess I shouldn't have because Edward wouldn't have let it happen.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”
No, they are just bruises. He should cut himself some slack.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?
I think it is learned. Carlisle always gives Esme extravagant gifts so I guess Edward was just following his lead.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
Yes because he is all to willing to give Bella everything she wants.
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1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?
I was thinking that Bella wouldn't be hurt at all.

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”
No, because she didn't realize that anything was wrong until he did sour the mood, she was perfectly happy. Edward always says she does the opposite of what he expects, yet he never expects her to feel the opposite way he thinks she will.

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?
I never understood what that meant.

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
Kind of, yeah. He promised himself things before like that he would never allow himself to love Bella, never to date her, never allow her to find out how one becomes a vampire, never allow her to become one, never go back to Forks after the disaster at her birthday. And everything he ever promised himself, he wound up allowing to happen.
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Re: Chapter 5: Isle Esme

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Alphie wrote:Lots of gratitude to Malaz who came through in a real hurry for us and provided these questions!

1) Regarding the “honeymoon”, did you expect the outcome to be different, that Bella would have been hurt much worse? Or less?

2) In terms of Edward’s reaction to hurting Bella during the night. . . Do you think he was justified in expressing his anxiety by “souring Bella’s mood?”

3) Apparently Edward’s extreme generosity is a learned behaviour. Do you think it is? And what is your opinion on that?

4) Edward confirmed that he will not make love to Bella until she is changed, did you expect he would falter in his promise to himself?
1)I did not think about the outcome of their night together until the day after. But, after reading it, I think Edward showed a lot of restraint with Bella - hats off to the man.

2)No. He ruined it for her and for me. :lol: He should have listened to her when she said she felt so happy. Instead, he sulked and pouted and that 'killed her buzz'.I can understand his distaste in hurting her accidentally, but he went to extremes in his reaction - so Edward.

3)I think Carlise led by example and in turn this brought out a generous spirit in Edward. We learn things from our parents. This was a wonderful trait to have been given, so to speak.

4)Oh yea!! He could not resist his wife - period. He is only a healthly man..er vampire after all. They were perfect for each other and they both knew that. I thought that was cool. 8-)
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