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Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby Alphie » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:56 pm

Goodnight Elizabeth gets credit for this one!

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals?

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella?

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides?

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries?

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment?

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby pennybug84 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:44 pm

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals? I was a little baffled I guess too. I think she still loves him in a way. But he will always just be her best friend and one who understands her. When you're going through hard times it's nice to have friends around.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella? Well everyone's fine w/Seth. He is just an awesome carefree guy who it would be hard not to like. I think for the most part w/Jacob they accept him and know that he's important to Bella. And after they were able to fight together in Eclipse I think there will always be a comradery (?sp) there.

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides? Well the fact that Jacob and Seth come & go as they please basically in the Cullen house shows big changes. For the most part they get along.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries? I was a little upset with her here. The baby is breaking bones and she doesn't see it as big of a deal as it is. I can't imagine what's going through one Carlisle's mind he's a doctor & knows that this is dangerous, and two what's going through Edward's mind. But I am glad she kept the baby

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment? I thought his loyalties would only be flexible for the moment. He wanted to make sure that Bella was okay and protect the Sam's pack from attacking. I figured when this was all done with he would probably leave again & maybe leave his home again.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies? I think his opinion about the Cullens have been slowly changing since they fought together in Eclipse. He can see that they aren't as bad as he once thought. (Except maybe older but that's because he's jealous of his relationship w/Bella like he says somewhere in one of the chapters.) I think especially w/Carlisle & Esme they will always see them as potential friends, especially after Eclipse. And then of course Esme is so sweet and offers them food and clean clothes and what they might need since they're helping her family.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby Dovrebanen » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:25 am

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals?
Me too....She lights up like a child in front of a bunch of presents. I think she loves him, but I don't think she's in love with him. He just means a lot to her. And I think that she was very happy that he came, since she must have been afraid that she had lost him forever after the incident on the wedding day.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella?
I think they are adapting very well.Obviously they like Seth very much, like everyone else. I doubt even Rosalie would find anything bad about him. And I think most of them is ok with Jacob as well. He is very important to Bella, and so the Cullens would never mistreat him. And to Alice, he is her own personal headache-medication :)

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides?
They are getting closer to each other. They are all fighting for the same thing. Bella's life and security. I think it is so sweet how the Cullens are providing food and clothes for the pack, even Leah who displays less than positive views on the Cullens. And they are all velcome to the Cullen house at any time.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries?
She is being stupid. I can understand her love for the baby, but she showed complete disregard for herself. So she should at least take a minute to care about the injuries. I can't imagine having to stand by and watch someone slowly killing themselves that way. Must be heartbreaking.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment?
At that point, I felt that it was flexible. And I think the outcome would all depend on what happened to Bella. If Bella died he wanted to kill the Cullens himself, he even promised Edward. And if Bella survived, I thought he would have "gone wild" again, and run around in the woods as a wolf alone. I think it took a lot of courage to break away from his pack, and venture into the Cullens house. And it showed his dedication to Bella that he chose not to act on his first instinct.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?
At this point, I think he is slowly changing his attitude. He can see that they are actually good people. He hates Rosalie..that's for sure, but he would have hated her even if she was human I think. Just not his type. He clearly respects Carlisle a lot. And Esme, for bringing him food and clothes. He does not want to hurt her feelings. I think he is also warming up to Alice, when she uses him as a buffer towards the baby to take her blurred vision away.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby xxxDarkMoonxxx » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:03 pm

1. I believe that Bella is still in love with him. I feel the pull to each of them is stronger now then ever before because of her pregnancy. I believe the whole reason that Jacob ever fell in love with Bella is because of the baby she'll someday carry. I believe the baby is the magnet here.

2. I think most of them are okay with it now. Everyone knows that Jacob is Bella's best friend and would do anything for her. As for Seth, i believe everyone loves him because he is such a carefree, cool, and nice-hearted guy.

3. I'm agreeing with Pennybug on this one. The wolves are being treated like family and they come and go as they please.

4. It upset me a little bit about her indifferent attitude. Obviously the breaks hurt alot and she simply kept a smile on her face so no one would worry. But everyone was worrying. I admit she was being very brave with this pregnancy, many people would probably have quit, but she was also being stupid about downplaying how much everything hurt.

5. He is changing his loyalties forever. I mean, of course he'll always be loyal to his pack, but i believe he is also very loyal to the Cullens. I never thought that Jacob would just disappeare after the delivery of the baby.

6. Jacob's attitude about vampires is only changing to the Cullens. He hated the other vampires that came around. I believe that the Cullen's have become to accept the wolves. I'm not too sure about Rosalie, but i can definitely tell the rest of them are starting to look at the wolves as people. And i believe this is all because of Bella's loyalty to Jacob and because Jacob is now protecting the Cullens.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby diane771 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:42 pm

Alphie wrote:Goodnight Elizabeth gets credit for this one!

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals?

I really think that deep down inside Bella does not want to hurt Jacob's feelings. She has feelings for him, but her feelings for Edward just so over whelming compared to Jacob, it really confuses her.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella?

I think that anybody that is excepted by one Cullen is excepted by all . And Edward excepted Seth, They do not know what to think of Jacob. They don't want to hurt Bella and so I think they tried to keep themselves in line but not Rosalie But if Jacob hurt Bella or Edward I think that they would be very upset. Carlisle doestn't agree with confortation so they might just leave. When Jacob was hurt I think it really broke the ice and everything started to get better, especially with the pack helping them with the baby vamps

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides?

As stated above with them fighting together and really seeing each other, getting a feel of who they are that started to change the distance between them. Before it was don't cross this line, then it went to cross this line if you ask first, and towards the end of BD I feel the rift even closing more.


4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries?

She might not have remembered and her focus was some place else and when she woke up all she thought was how happy she was and totally forgot anything that hurt her the night before.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment?

At first he doesn't balance at all, he pushes Bella away, gives the pack to Sam and is totally emotional wreck. When Bella and him started up their friendship again, he was happy with that but still not ready to be alpha. I think when he starts to balance everything is at the end of Eclipse. Bella was giveing off mix signals so that was not helping him at all. Then Edward had come back and he knew deep down that Bella and Edward were going to be together. He had a lot on his plate to deal with and a lot of times it came out as immature or hardheaded but he was young with all the complexities of everything anyone would have been edgie. Then when he finally excepted Bella's and Edward's relationship and could look beyond that I really think that its more of a permnent change between the wolves and vamps.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?


I think Jacob tolerates the Cullens's and is warmer to a lot of them, the only one who he might not get along with is Rosalie and he loves to get her going too much to hate her. And she was part of Renesmee being born. So I think that with Seth and his relationship with Edward, the pack has a really good picture of the true Cullens and that they are not that bad. And I feel the Cullens share that view of the wolves.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby Elisabeth33 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:54 pm

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals?
There's information missing, like the fact that Renesmee is going to be his soulmate.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella?
I'm not sure what this question is asking me.

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides?
Yes, I do think concessions are being made here.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries?
She's a hell of a lot braver than I am, I'd be in tears half the time from the pain.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment?
His loyalties changed the minute he embraced his birthright and walked away from Sam.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?
No, I think it's particular members of the Cullens. He's still pretty hostile towards the ones that did drink human blood later in the book. Well Edward said in Eclipse that if Jake weren't trying to steal the girl he loved he might feel differently towards Jake. It's not too hard to imagine that the others might feel the same way.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby Riddalyn » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:07 pm

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals?
Well, at that moment, we're kind of confused too, aren't we? We think she's being a little strange toward him and I didn't really know what to make of it either... but then again, we didn't know that Jacob was going to imprint on the child growing inside of Bella, so that probably had something to do with it.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella?
I think they were probably already adept to the friendship between Edward and Seth, so that most likely wasn't a problem... but it probably did take some getting used to in seeing Jacob and Bella together, because they obviously have a VERY strong bond. Initially, they were probably confused, and Rose was angry, but eventually they get used to it because they have to, and then they just kind of accept it because if Bella and Edward accept it, they all will. And Carlisle was probably also a factor because he took care of Jacob while he was hurt, so they were already on good terms.

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides?
At first, they were just the Vampires and the Werewolves, the Bloodsuckers and the Dogs. But now they're getting to know each other.. they're really seeing each and every person and realizing that in one way or another, they are all alike. They're all (kind of) people. The line seems to be slowly blurring through Eclipse, and Breaking Dawn it just kind of vanishes. There doesn't need to be a line anymore.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries?
I think she just kind of let it go. In her mind it was all worth it, the means to an end... and besides, what was there to be upset about when everyone she loved were all with her in the same room, right? She was just happy.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment?
I think things start to balance out the moment he leaves Sam's pack and when he sees Bella pregnant. He has to accept that that's the way it is... and when he does, it changes everything for him.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?
I think everyone's oppinions are changing, although some of the Cullens already weren't huge enemies of the wolves. They could all be friends now, because they're all seeing each other and they're all the same, really. They're all thinking of everybody differnetly, and changing things, and making it so that maybe they could be friends, and not just enemies forever.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby Tonya » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:36 pm

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals? I was frustrated with this. I could not understand why she was so needy toward him. She was not being fair to anyone. I did understand her thoughts on him just completing her family but it would have made more sense if she actually thought of him as a brother.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella? I think everyone is OK with Seth but Rose she doesn't seem to like anyone let alone a young werewolf. She is more partial to him than Jake I would think. They think of him as a friend. I think they are all uncomfortable with the Jake and Bell thing but they are very grateful to Jacob for what he has done now and in the past with the Newborns.

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides? I think the Cullen's are more willing to work together than the wolves are. The Cullens are trying to be gracious but Leah is very unwilling. Jake seems to be warming up to them and Seth loves them.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries? She's trying to be strong Bella like always.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment? I thinks he's numb with fear and behaving himself for Bella. I still think if anything happens to Bella he'll blow.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies? I think Jake is finally seeing the light about the Cullen's finally believing everything that Bella has said about how good they are. He still hates Rose but she doesn't give him much choice. Emmett and Jasper haven't been around. I think for the most part the Cullen's are seeing Jake and Seth as friends ... allies. I think Carlisle never though of them as enemies.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby luvinedward » Sun May 03, 2009 1:01 am

Alphie wrote:Goodnight Elizabeth gets credit for this one!

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals? I don't think that she's really in love with him, like she is with Edward. I just feel that she loves Jacob like a big brother. But all of that is just conjecture, because Stephenie Meyer has relegated Edward and Bella's story to the background and we are getting alot of Werewolf stuff. That's why I felt a little let down at this moment in the story because I felt as though I had been off wondering the woods with Jacob while the real story was going on in the Cullen house.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella? Again this has to be conjecture because we were wondering the woods while the big drama was going on in the house. Seth is sweet, even tempered, and seems to be laking the prejudice that the other wolves have, so I think that the Cullens genuinely like him in return. I have gotten the impression that none of the Cullens really like Jacob. They just tolerate him being around because Bella wants him in her life and Bella is important to Edward. They see him as a potential threat to Edwards happiness. I don't think that they like the relationship that Jacob has to Bella because it makes Edward unhappy.

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides? Bella is dying, and the Cullens love her and are struggling to keep her alive . They know that a negative reaction to Jacob would upset her, thereby, making her condition worse. So they are willing to accept Jacob into there lives in an attempt to keep Bella happy and, therefore, alive. This is why I wish that we could have spent less time with the wolfpack and more with the Cullens. I would have liked to have seen all that was going on in the house. Edward says that he was listening to the conversations in the pack and giving a play by play account to the rest of the family and I wish that we could have gotten there reaction.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries? She is absolutely convinced that she's going to survive.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment? I can't comment on this because I wasn't interested in the pack or Jacob. Bella was dying and I just wanted to get back to the Cullen house and get to the real story.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?
I don't think that Jacobj's attitude towards vampires is changing at all. An example of this is when he says."At some point, would they start trotting in the neighbors?" I don't think the Cullens opinions of the Were wolves are changing. But, they're going out of there way to make Jacob feel at home to make Bella happy. They will do anything to save Bella, at this moment. But all of this is conjecture, because, unfortunately, we missed the real story in the Cullen house while we were all in the woods with the wolves.
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Re: Chapter 14 - ...Feeling Guity for Being Rude to Vampires

Postby sazykid » Mon May 18, 2009 9:38 pm

1. Jacob continues to be baffled by Bella's response to him. How do you explain it? Is she still in love with him or is he misreading her signals?
She doesn't have any better idea why she is so connected to him than he does. I think she does love him, but she isn't in love with him. After reading the whole book, I think the draw she feels toward Jacob has more to do with the baby than it does with her being in love with him.

2. How are the Cullens adapting to the relationship that Seth has to the Cullens and Jacob has to Bella?
The Cullens are happy to accept Seth because he is so open minded about them, and is just genuinely a good kid. They are also trying their best to accept Jacob. He is Bella's friend and he helps improve her mood. I do think they have to work to accept him though because he is tough with Bella and her connection to him hurts Edward.

3. It seems the lines between the Cullens and Jacob’s pack is blurring. What changes do you see taking place. Do you feel there are concessions being made on both sides?
Jacob is much more open to being around the Cullens, and Seth just does not care lol. The Cullens are also greatful to Jacob, Seth, and Leah for trying to protect them. Both sides are trying their best to behave and get along.

4. What do you think of Bella’s indifferent attitude about her injuries?
I'm not sure "indifferent" is the right word. I don't think she doesn't care that she is hurt and injured, she is just willing to endure it because she loves her child. I'd be willing to bet that if they weren't going to get rid of the baby Bella would be more expressive of how she was feeling. But, she has to put on a brave face to make sure her child is ok.

5. Jacob is truly growing and “coming into his own” in this chapter. As the Alpha, a werewolf and friend of Bella, how do you feel he balances these different pressures and do you feel his loyalties are changing or are only flexible for this moment?
I think his loyalty is to Bella. If she decided to leave the Cullens he would have very little problem going back to upholding the treaty. But, Bella stays so he seems to embrace her decision and uses his ability to lead his wolf pack to protect Bella and the vampires she loves.

6. Do you think Jacob’s attitude about vampires in general is changing or just particular members of the Cullens? Do you think the Cullen’s opinions of werewolves are changing, or do you think some of them already viewed them as potential friends rather than enemies?
I don't think he knows his attitude is changing, but it is. He is more open to the vampires and he seems receptive to most of them. I think only a handful of the Cullens were really open to being around warewolves. Carlisle and Esme seemed most open, and then Alice and maybe Emmett. I think Jasper was open to it but he was keeping a careful eye on things, and we all know how Rosalie feels lol.
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