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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby revrag » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:52 am

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
I think because they are being so in-your-face honest about their feelings for Bella, they have a better understanding of each other. They can empathize now and later in the series and it helps evolve the story beautifully.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
You know, I was actually a little surprised. I think it unfolded only because both boys thought that Bella was asleep. I don't think that Edward would ever admit to something so beneath him about a werewolf...it was one thing for him to say he was jealous of Mike..way back when...but a wholly other to say he was jealous of Jacob.


3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
I think that he chose the right one. Definitely, and obviously in the long run that choice made Bella happier as well...maybe sometimes it is good to be selfish.


4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?
I was surprised at how very comical I found the whole thing. I was giggling and antsy the whole time. I've read it several times since and I darn near have the same reaction as that very first time. It made both Edward and Jacob even more endearing to me. Although it made appreciate Jacob a little more, I am still so pro-Edward. There's nothing that can compare to a first love.
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby Elisabeth33 » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:47 am

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
I thought this was really cool. It was like Midnight Sun, in that Edward is letting us into his head.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
Yes, he's so always in control.

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
Changing her into a vampire was always his best option. She'd never feel that way about him, enough to leave him. New Moon hurts so much to read, because of the third option. I want to be together forever, not just her human life, so no number two either.

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?
That Bella thought that she dreamt the entire thing. :roll:
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby RussetRose♥ » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:58 am

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?

I think that it was about time that they got along and actually try to get along for Bella.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?

Yeah, I would think that he of all people who be able to keep it in. But, I guess that I'm also not surprised. Bella does show real feelings for Jacob even if she doesn't know it...yet.

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?

I like option one. I'm with Jacob on this one.

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?

The fact that they actually got along. And also how they could almost relate to eachother, it really shocked me. But, I guess that they had to get along sooner or later.
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby zoelynn602 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:30 am

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
It was really necessary, and really nice to know the thoughts they had about each other and Bella.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
A little bit

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
It was predictible of Edward to think through all the options, but the option of changing Bella was always the best bet for her, the way to keep her the safest and the happiest.

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?
Just the fact that they were able to be so honest with each other.
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby michelle72 » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:49 pm

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other? I love it!!!

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience? I am glad that he did

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella? I was shocked there was 4 options and I am glad he chose the one he did

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had? I found it emotional and funny

This is my all time favorite chapter :D
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby ment2be134 » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:45 am

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?

I loved that they were being honest. It gives me real respect for both Jacob and Edward

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?

In a way yes because you see him as a person who is so in control of himself and checks him self constantly, but there is also a sense (for me) of him being so not perfect and 100% "human", which i think makes him more appealing, hehe, and some times i think he doesn't always let Bella know exactly how nervous he is about her getting hurt and i think most of that is because when he is with her he's simply happy... so i think it may be easier for him to admit to Jacob for some odd reason, a comradeship that is hidden.

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?

That is so like Edward to have the options in front of him to know what options there are and then choose one that works FOR Bella.

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?

Just that they had it. It put Edward higher on my scale because he was so willing to share what i imagine to be a hard thing to share at all with the guy that is trying to steal his Love away. Jacob wouldn't be willing to share that with a vampire... willingly(in my opinion).... This is defenetly one of my favorite chapters in the book.
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby Mara Jade Cullen » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:39 pm

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
-I loved seeing Edward open up for a change. He usually is so guarded. Its not like Jacob had much choice in being candid since Edward could hear his thoughts anyways. But for Edward to open up and let his vulnerabilities show was interesting.
I would like to have a Midnight Sun-like view into his head still for this chapter. To see how much he still held back.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
-I was surprised to see him admit to his jealousy and not just write it off as concern for Bella’s welfare like he had earlier in the book. But he probably decided to be candid (1) because he felt obligated to Jacob for warming Bella and (2) Jacob knew he had to be jealous anyways. So there was no point in pretending otherwise.

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
-Edward is very analytical. And they seem like the only logical options available.
I like how he goes through each with Jacob so that he can see how Edward came to his current path. I’m sure that Jacob assumed that making Bella immortal was the only option that Edward had seriously considered. This explanation shows instead how Edward had tried everything short of taking her life that he could contemplate, even if it caused him personal pain.
I sometimes feel a bit irritated with Edward for being so paternalistic with Bella. That he makes these decisions for what is best without taking her will into consideration. But, on the other hand, he has observed almost a century of human nature and behaviour. He knows what the typical patterns are. And, in the end, he was right to some extent. She did want the human experience of having children—only she didn’t know that she wanted that. So he was probably right to slow her decision after all.
Now Jacob, on the other hand, doesn’t show the same level of maturity. Granted, he’s only mentally 16. But rather than think about what Edward said or what he witnessed about Bella’s desolation during Edward’s absence, he only considers option one. He knew that she’d never be the completely whole, but could heal to some extent if Edward was out of the picture and find some happiness with him. He didn’t want what was best for her, just for him.

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?
Again, how candid they were, especially Edward.
Also how well they seemed to get along despite the occasional verbal jabs.
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby footloose » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:16 pm

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
It surprises me and relieves me at the same time because it enables them to understand each other's position better. I love it when Jacob finally understands the depth of Edward's love for Bella and why he had to leave her.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
A bit, but he can only have so much patience. Jacob can be really annoying LOL.

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
Okay, I may be the odd one out in this regard, but when Jacob said that option 1 could work if he and Bella had been given just 1 year to be together, I think he had a point. Bella already wavered anyway before she learned about Edward's suicide plan, and it was not like she wouldn't be happy with Jacob. Not that I want the story to end that way though...mainly because I hate to see Edward being miserable for the next hundred years, haha! OK feel free to throw tomatoes now.
(p.s: I don't know if Jacob is 100% selfish when he says he likes option 1. Maybe he is at some point, but he also thinks about Bella and the live she could have if she marries him instead of Edward).

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?
Their honesty and their willingness to show some understanding for the other party.
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby LittleMs.Hale11796 » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:35 pm

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
I am actually very happy they did this. I love the way they tell eachother that they are both jelous. Like Jacob said, it was really good that i finally got a piece Edwards mind and to see his love in full form. I LOVE this Chapter! Fave out of all the books!

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
No, i was not. He said he'd tell Jacob everything he asked and he did. But i was surprised that Jacob was all pompus, saying things like, I knew it!

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
I really admire that he tought out her safety, but I hate them. Cant he see Bella is in love with him, maybe almost to the degree of him? I really dont like his choices.

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?

Hmm, That Bella though it was a dream. :D
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Re: Chapter 22 ~ Fire and Ice

Postby golden x sunshine » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:45 pm

1. What do you think about the honesty the boys show each other?
-Oh I loved it! It was so good to hear what they thought and how they felt; guards down. It was prettty coool.

2. Are you surprised to see Edward admitting his jealousy and showing less patience?
-Nope, I knew it was in him somewhere and it was gonna come out sometime haha.

3. How did you feel about Edward's four options regarding Bella?
-Eck, I hated them all. It was sooooo sweet he cares for her saftey, but seriously? Just being with her until shes old and dies and then going to kill himself? That's not a very good plan... I LOOOOVE the turning Bella into a vampire plan (:

4. What surprised you most about the conversation they had?
-Probably that they were just able to talk like they were and be honest with each other. I never thought that would ever happen.
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