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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby Riddalyn » Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:59 pm

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
I'm not sure if it would be the best thing... but I know he'd understand, or try his best to. She should definitely tell him about the depression though. He already knows about Edward, and the hallucinations... that's a tough call. I don't know.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
"Hook Up" is such a loose term.
The first time I read New Moon, I hardly registered what was happening before the moment was gone. The next time around, though, I paid attention. And I was amazed at how badly I wanted it to happen. Before, I'd been so preoccupied agonizing over Edward's sudden departure and hoping he'd return, that all I wanted was for him back -- even though I loved Jacob. But this time, I realize just how badly I wanted Jake to be happy, and how much I wanted Bella to be the one to make him happy and to find happiness with him, because I knew she could. Of course, in the back of my head, I thought what would Edward do, and I knew what was going to happen. But at that moment (and I just know I'm going to be stoned for this)... I just couldn't bring myself to care.


3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
He maybe should... but he wouldn't have. We all know that. And he won't ever want anybody else, so what would compel him to go out and look for someone who he could love and who would love him back?

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
Of course she feels like she owes him. Emotionally... she does. She owes him everything. He saved her. He made her almost whole again, a person instead of a shell of one.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
It is. They're willing to do anything to stay together. When Edward thinks Bella is dead, he goes to kill himself (stupid, stupid Edward) (also, I know we haven't gotten there yet, but...), same as the story of Romeo and Juliet. And they're so deeply in love that they can't forget each other, can't live without each other. It differs in a lot of ways too, though... like the fact that Juliet never even considered Paris. And Romeo would never leave.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
Well, I don't know. I would have done the same thing. She is so desperate for just an inkling of the Cullens... of Edward... that of course she goes back. Having said that, it would have been extremely easy for Victoria to acquire the same car Carlisle had and use it to get to Bella. I'm on the fence about this.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?
God, I don't know! Gah, it's really hard to choose! I've always been very Switzerland about it. Um... I would say that Bella and Jacob's relationship is probably much healthier in the literal sense of the word, but her relationship with Edward is so much deeper. She loves him to her core, and she also loves Jacob, but not to such an extent... I don't know!!
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby Chocolatebrowneyes » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:44 am

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?

Uh no, lets not break Jacob up to much ok?

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?

Yes it would be settling, and I think it's wrong that she should do that to him, even if he does want her I fully believe that there is someone out there who is perfect for everyone, why deny Jacob his soulmate?

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?

Yes he should wait, it's the fairest thing for him.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?

I think she does owe him alot and honestly I think going into a relationship like that is doomed because then your only in the relationship because you feel like you owe them.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?

hmm...you know it is, because they are willing to die for the other person, and there are so many factors counting against them.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?

I think her relationship with them isn't masochistic, I think she loves them and wants to belong to their family. And I think she had every right to investigate, but hey that's just me.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?

You know I gotta say I think Bella/Edward is healthier because they've been through a conflict, and they truly love each other, Bella/Jacob is doomed from the start, it would be just a rebound from Edward and it would completely distroy their friendship (and probably Charlie and Billy's as well) when everything ended. And Jacob doesn't always have Bella's best interests at heart, he's still fairly immature so she's end up getting hurt and he'd get hurt eventually too because Bella would drop him the second Edward came back.
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby Elisabeth33 » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:08 am

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
Yes, she needs someone to talk to. He already knows almost everything else.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
Yes, I think it would be settling (for Bella) to be Jake's girlfriend. But I still think she should try to find happiness with Jake though.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
Well since we know now that the true love he was waiting for was Renesmee, no I think it was fine to want Bella. If they married, he'd never get his true love anyways.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
Well, if Bella's going to be with ANYONE, at one point or another, she's going to owe them her life, she takes a lot of looking after, mostly because she's so clumsy.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
Yes, it is because they both (almost, in Bella and Edward's case) killed themselves, the girl "first", then the guy for real, then the girl for real. Bella nearly drowned, the Volturi guard nearly tore Edward limb from limb and then Bella would have been dinner.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
No, I think she was right just to walk in. I might have checked the license plate number, if I knew Carlisle's. And her relationship with the Cullens is no more masochistic than hers with Jake is.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?
I think Bella and Edward's is healthier (there's less of a chance he'd hurt her), but then I'm prejudiced.
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby natterss707 » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:57 am

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
I think she would be able to if they were just friends. But since he loves her, I don't really think it's fair. I mean I'm glad she can talk about it with someone but at the same time she's not really taking into consideration Jacob's feelings.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
No. That's not fair to either of them. Best friends? Yes. Romantically involved? No, not at all.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
I think he deserves someone that will give their whole heart to him. I think everyone knows that Bella and Edward are meant to be together, even Jacob and I think it's pretty pointless and a waste of time for him to even try. He should focus on being her best friend.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
I only think she owes him by being the best friend for him. She doesn't need to lead him on or any other huge ordeal. Be there for him like he was for you, do everything you can. Don't force feelings though.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
Yeah, it is for the simple fact that they can't and will not live without the other. I don't really know much about Romeo and Juliet other than that.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
No, I thought it was perfectly fine. And I'm not really sure if it masochistic, but my better judgement tells me no.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?
I don't know. But her relationship with Edward is true love, and I think all her and Jacob will really be is friends (actually I know that HA.)
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby navarre » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:57 pm

Alphie wrote:Here are the discussion questions as provided for us by Ellabelle.

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?


1)No. That is too private.
2)a) Yes. b) No, that is unfair to both Jacob and herself.
3)Yes. I felt he needed to let her go in that area.
4)She needs to come completely clean with him in regards to her feeling, telling him that her heart was given away a long time ago and she never got it back. That would be a foundation of truth in their relationship that he deserves.
5)Yes. Both are very young, tragic in their own ways, and both would and almost did die for the other.
It is different because he did not die as he planned due to the fact that Bella saved him and their was a happily ever after for this scenario.

6)Sure, why not? She recognized it. b) No. She is tied to the Cullens because of her deep love for Edward.

7)Bella/Jacob have a friendship based relationship with a slow romance building. Bella/Edward have a powerful, consuming and deep love in which a friendship built from that and not the other way around.
Which one is healthier? Both are and both are not. That's it.
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby Mrs.Edward_Cullen<3 » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:43 pm

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression? No I don't really think so.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart? NO IT WOULDN'T AT ALL! I don't think so Bells.. :x

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella? He should wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves her.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally? He saved her after the whole cliff fiasco.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ? It is quite similar. They are willing to die for each other if they know that one of the other is dead.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic? No it's not.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"? Edward's. He's purely what she wants.
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby Black Rose » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:52 pm

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?

I can't imagine Jake's reaction if Bella had told him. He is in a very unstable condition during that section of New Moon and that migh set him off. Either that or he'd think Bella had seriously lost her mind. I think that he would have helped her through it better if he understood why she was always putting herself in dager, so yeah, I think that it would have been better if she had told him but it wouldn;t had changed the storyline much. She had already jumped and was going to go to Italy whether Jake knew about the voices or not.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?

I think that if Bella hadn't jumped off the cliff and did get together with Jake, that the serious would have ended right there. But I don't think that Bella ever would because she would always feel that she was cheating Jake out of a better relationship. And she wouldn't take that chance again because if he ever changd his mind and imprinted on someone else, I don't think Bella would be able to handle it again.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?

Again, if Bella hadn't jumped off the cliff anf had to go save Edward, the two of them might have ended up together even if Bella felt guilty about the whole relationship. I think that having Bella and Jake together would be a good thing for the boht of them and Jake had every right to try to be with her. And if he went out to try to find someone who loved him, he would feel guilty for the same reason Bella would feel guilty being with him; he would still love Bella too.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?

Bella will do all she can to make sure that that debt is paid, and Jake may use it to his advantage some day.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?

Many romances are compared to Romeo and Juliet just bcause of the emece love in the story that any love story would be empty without. Twilight is not an exception. But the two story lines don't have that much similarity, though.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?

I think that Bella should have brought Jake with her to investigate Carlisle's car and than gone inside her house, thought that wouldn't have worked because Jake wouldn't have gone with her. I don't think there is anything wrong at all with Bella and the Cullens' relationship.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?

There are both unhealthy in different ways, though she is always in danger of being hurt when she is with either one of them. But with Edward, there is chance that she will become a vampire and have her humanity taken away from. Also, Edward and her are like one now and we have seen the result of what happens when one leaves the other. With Jake, he always wants Bella to choose him over everyone else and then gets very upset when she refuses.
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby golden x sunshine » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:58 pm

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
-No, I don't think she should. That's really personal, her thoughts about Edward, and Jake probably wouldn't be able to understand them and how much it meant to Bella.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
-Nope ! It's not fair to Bella or Jacob. If she settled for Jake, Bella would never be truly happy, and neither would he; Jacob would always only be second best in Bella's mind. It's not fair to either one.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
-Yes. Bella DOES NOT love Jacob the way he loves her. He should wait until there is someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella, that way he can happy.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
-Bella owes her life to Jacob, and she knows that. But, Jake probably won't ever let her forget it either...

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
-In my mind, Edward and Bella are exactly like Romeo and Juliet. They shouldn't be together, but against all odds they fell in love. They both CANNOT live without each other; one has to exist for the other one to exist also. They would both die for each other. The only thing thats different is there is vampires and werewolfs haha.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
-Of course she should ! Its the Cullens car for godsakes! I wouldnt say her relationship with them is masochistic, thats the wrong word for it. Bella loves the Cullens and they love her, that the relationship between them.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?
-I would say Bella and Edwards relationship was healthier. No matter what Edward and Bella can tell each other anything, and Jake and Bella just can't do that. Also, Bella isn't in love with Jacob like she is with Edward, their relationship can never be as strong.
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby footloose » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:49 pm

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
At first I thought she should, to smack some sense into Jacob about how much she loves Edward. But knowing Jacob, i think he would still be as stubborn.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
I'm going against the grain here. Bella does love Jacob, and in Eclipse she was even willing to hurt Edward in order to be with Jacob. Since she seems to believe that Edward doesn't want her anymore, I think she would accept Jacob gradually as time goes, and finally let go of her past with Edward.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
Well...the thing is we know that Bella's love for him is more than platonic (although less than her love for Edward). Bella may not realize this but Jacob knows. If fate hasn't interfered and Edward-Bella have not reunited, Jacob might have a good shot.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
I don't think you should decide to be with someone based on how much you owe them.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
I don't think it's comparable. Edward is as good as dead when he leaves Bella, and yes, Bella is also crushed, but like this chapter shows, she still has other option, and she ALMOST take that option if Alice hasn't come. Give them one year (tm Jacob) and she would've moved on. Edward may be Romeo, but Bella definitely is not Juliet. She still weighs in other options.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
Yes to both. But the same can be said to Bella's relationship with Jacob and his werewolf friends. She trusts her heart more than her head.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?
Logically, Bella would be better off with Jacob because she wouldn't need to sacrifice her mortality, her family and her ability to have children. Plus, Jacob isn't as overprotective as Edward. But it doesn't mean that i support it :mrgreen:
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Re: Chapter 16 ~ Paris

Postby rachelcullen86 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:34 am

1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?

I think if Bella were to confide in Jacob about the hallucinations that she would lose them & I think she knows that on some level...also, I think Jacob knows Bella well enough by now that he has noticed the depression & same as every other time, understands her & chooses not to upset her by mentioning it

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?

If Edward were truly to never return then maybe, but she still has hope, however small that Edward will return until she loses all hope of his return she wouldn't be able to find happiness

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?

Of course Jacob loves Bella, but he should wait until his love can be reciprocated

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?

It bears no factor, Edward also saved Bella twice ... as did all the Cullens at the end of Twilight, I think Bella will not consider the above to be important

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?

The story of Bella & Edward is very similar... Two star crossed lovers - wrong sides of the track - both dying for one another (theoretically) and an all consuming love

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?

Anyone would have done the same, as a human she has curiosity

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is "healthier"?

I'm sure her relationship with Jacob had it progressed would have been healthy to a degree but only due to Bella's ability to be selfless...her heart & soul belong to Edward and it is only out of his fear of hurting her that their relationship soured in the first place
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