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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby TeamAliceWins » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:45 pm

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?
I think Bella knows what she´s giving up when she turns into a vampire, but she doesn´t fully appreciate it. She knows she won´t be able to go back to Arizona (or any sunny place place for that matter), she knows she won´t be able to ever have a baby (well.... you know what I mean), and she very well knows pretty much every other thing she will never be able to do. But, as I said, she doesn´t really appreciate these things. I mean, it´s Bella! Do you think she would WANT a baby, anyways? And I´m pretty sure she wont have a problem not going back to Arizona; she´d been prepared for that outcome even before she knew about vampires. Also, she knows she loves Edward. No, "love" isn´t strong enough. She will be with the man she adores forever. Truly forever. As they said in Eclipse: It´s a lot to lose, but it´s more to get back.
2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?
They probably are gonna hunt, just not what they would usually hunt. Sort of like having a big "dinner" or something. They´ll probably go looking for something better to eat. A special meal for a special occasion.
And I am 100% certain they wil NOT go to a strip club or drinking or whatever else humans do for bachelor parties.
3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?
As he has explained many times, Edwaurd always knew who he was looking for. Metaphorically speaking, obviously. He knew he wanted someone that made him happy, and he would need someone that had qualities beyond their looks; a personality of their own, something unique that no one else has. Not to mention the Cullens and the Denali clan had always been friends; it´d be weird to marry someone you´d only known as a friend. Plus, vampires dont go through that "He was always a friend, but now I see him as something more" change. Once a friend, always a friend.
4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?
I think every child becomes "aware" at their own pace. It depends on how they were raised, on their personality, genetics, you name it. Everything that adds up to what you are. I think the Volturi base their decision of whether or not a child is capable of keeping a secret and knowing what is right and wrong on stereotypes. An "average" five year old probably wouldnt know not to kill people when they´re hungry, but an "average" thirteen year old might. I think the age limit they would set up would be about nine and above (pre-teens). I think its the most reasonable thing to do, seeing as I would very well fit in that category..... :D
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby SarahGoddard » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:46 pm

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?
The way I see it this is (partly) what the saga is building to. I dont think she was ready in any of the other books (definitly not at the end of Twilight) but shes had a very long time to think, consider and weigh up her options and she knows this is the right thing for her. The fact that she then gets Renesme is an added bonus that she doesnt have to consider shes "giving up" children.
2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?
Completley agree with TeamAliceWins - like a "big" dinner - maybe a whole pride of mountain lions? Or they travelled really far afield and did some really big game - polar bears or elephants or something? :)
3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?
Again spot on TeamAliceWins - he knew what he was looking for even when he didnt know he was looking (did that make sense), he just simply wasnt meant to be with Tanya.
4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?
I'm not sure what age Jane is meant to be - I always thought she just looked and seemed young. Given her petulance I would easily put her down as a young teenager though! I think around 14 or 15 is probably the youngest. Would there be tests? I'm not sure, maybe the Volturi would determine it after they've been created if the newborn is unruly and unteachable
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby I.WANT.TO.BE.BELLA » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:15 am

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?
I think that Bella is extremely priveliged to have become a vampire with having so much planning.I also think that Bella understands very well what she is giving up (her parents, human friends and the ability to be able to have children) because Bella never mentioned or thought of having kids.
Things worked out well anyway with all the long preparation she as never really a newborn at all.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?
As most other people have said i think that they would have had a big hunt.Which is a good thing as you wouldn't really want a bunch of vampires lashing out in front of an entire crowd of wedding guests.

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?
I think that Edward just didn't feel the meteor shoot across the blank sky,if you know what i mean.

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?
I think that age around 12-13ish would be the good age as The Volturi admitted that the changed Jane and Alec when they were around that age so obviously The Volturi kind of answered that question for me.But i think that they would help the to-be vampire to prepare (like Bella) so they wouldn't be as wild and unruly as unexpected vampires.
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby dragonrider713 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:04 pm

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?

I think Bella understood most, but not all of what she would give up by becoming immortal. At eighteen you can't really know what you're going to want when you're older.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?

I figured it'd be something like hunting. I definitely think Jasper was telling the truth.

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?

He probably turned her down because he didn't think of her in that way. The Denali clan is like extended family to the Cullens, so Edward probably only thought of Tanya in that way.

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?

I think maybe age ten and up. At ten years old, you have a pretty good handle on yourself and are less likely to lose control.
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby Seeker-Mar » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:06 am

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?

No she doesn't understand. I think her understanding is limited by both and the fact that she doesn't believe she will be losing her soul so she doesn't consider it as closely.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?

Firstly, Edward is not a strip club kind of guy. Ha ha. Secondly, if they did try Alice would see what they were up to and she and Rose would kick their you know whats. :D Thirdly, what's a strip club girl compared to Rose, Alice and Bella?!? Also, I bet Rose, Alice and Bella would gladly give a private show to her own man any day. :lol:

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?

Well, I read the Midnight Sun excerpt on SM's website so I believe Edward turned her down (to state it in somewhat old fashioned terms) because he is a gentleman and she is not a lady.

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?

I'm sure it was typical hypocritical Volturi. I bet since Aro kept Jane and Alec (who are about 13 right) that the Volturi decided 13 was the cut off point. Off point - I was so disturbed that any vampire would not only kidnap a human child but make that child suffer for three days! They deserved to be dusted. 8-)
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby yanjan3 » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:06 am

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?
* Yes I truly believe she thought it through... or maybe my answer is limited on my age and life experience. :lol: I truly relate to her in such a ridiculously complete way.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?
* I think so. I don't think there are vampire strip clubs.. lol

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?
* (sorry ,*spoiler*, for MS virgins) Edward knew she didn't have the most pure intentions and feelings...

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?
*Mental maturity, I think... the ability to distinguish and decide maturely.
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby tiffanyh » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:02 pm

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?
I think, no matter how old Bella is at the time, there will be things that she won't fully understand. I don't think you'll ever realize what you've really given up until you're immortal. For her now, I think she's ahead of the game and understands better than anyone gives her credit for.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?
I think Jasper was telling the truth... to an extent. They might have gotten a little bit for wild than he let Bella believe... added a little more danger to the night. But I don't think he lied to her.

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?
Simple... the same reason he's turned down everyone else... or not found anyone else until Bella: They weren't Bella. Edward was made for Bella... and Bella for Edward.

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?
I think it'd be a risk on anyone younger than pre-teen to teenage years... even that's pushing it unless the person was mature. As far as tests go... is there a test to determine if a person is ready for immortality? It's be a tricky assessment.
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby spookybell » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:40 am

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else? I certainly think that Bella's does know know everything she is giving up but I do think she has thought long and hard about her future and she is at peace with it.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth? I think it was priceless and perfect. I don't remember what Jasper said.

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down? Just not into her.

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be? I think 16 might be the age for the youngest turned vamp. Would be interesting to know though.
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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby jesscaa » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:02 pm

1. Does Bella really understand all that she will give up in becoming immortal? Do you think her understanding is limited by her age, life experience, or something else?
I think she had quite abit of time to think about her decision. She is young and may not have known everything she would be losing, but she did know quite abit of it and I don't think she would have made the desicion without realizing most of what would happen.

2. What do you think Emmett and Jasper were going to do for Edward's bachelor party? Was Jasper telling the truth?
I believe Jasper was telling the truth without mentioning quite all of the details. ;)

3. Tanya made a play for Edward long ago. We don't know much about Tanya, but we know quite a bit about Edward. Why do you think he turned her down?
Edward was simply never one to date around, as others have mentioned :) he waited for Bella who was absolutley perfect for him.

4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?
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4. About Immortal children. At what age or developmental stage would the Volturi allow them to be created? A two-year-old usually understands the word no, but evidently that wasn't enough. How would they determine if the child could "keep the secret"? What would the determining test(s) be?

The Volturi strikes me as the type who make rules for their own convenience. Like even if they were to set a certain age or certain rules, they would bend it themselves if it benefits them. Like if they found an immortal child who has powers that could be useful to them. If that happened I think they would allow the child to live, as long as they think they can control him / her.


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Re: Chapter 2: Long Night

Postby Renesmee_Bella » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:51 pm

1) Honestly, what would she be losing though? She was planning to find a way to stay in touch with Charlie, she could continue to interact with humans, what with her super self control. Help me out here, shes getting more than shes losing. And...Shes getting EDWARD!!!! I would trade everything I have for him. I think Bella knows exactly what shes doing.

2) Yes I do think Jasper was telling the truth because a) all of the cullen men are vampires in love and b) even in they did take Edward to see strippers or something along those lines, would Edward stay? oh please, Edward is way better than that, he would leave immediately and probably come back to Bella's after she was asleep. Duh.

3) Edward...well like he said, he doesn't like blondes and Tanya is very blonde plus she's also slef-centered and just as narcissitic as Rosalie and she would never be pure and self-less enough to catch Edward's attention like Bella did.

4) I honestly don't know. I think the baby would have to be atleast 6 because even at the age of 5 and 6, a child still has difficulty obeying their parents. Heck, even some adults go wrong, and with the whole, human blood is irresistable thing, only teenagers and adults should be turned.I think it should be the whole atleast 16 years old thing, If you can drive, you can be a vampire.
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