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Re: Jacob Black

Postby Renesmee101 » Mon May 25, 2009 12:14 pm

holdingoutforjacob wrote:^^she's way too.....yucky.

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holdingoutforjacob wrote:Renesmee101, you managed to respond to that more clearly and with more finality than I ever could have. Bravo.

Thanks. :oops: I'm usually the one in the arugment/disagreement who gets so wrapped up in my own mind that half of what I think I don't type, and then I have to go back and edit myself like 30 times just to make it cohesive.

I was really hoping that Leah and Jake would get together. I've been a Blackwater fan since Eclipse. It made me so sad when Jake imprinted because the way Steph seemed to be going, they would be the only couple who's hands weren't forced into love in the whole Pack, and that would have been epic.
And yeahhh, if V-Hudd gets any closer to the Leah part than she already is, I will be throwing a massive and catastrophic fit.


So THAT'S what Blackwater means!!!! Wow I feel dumb.

Lol, yeah. Don't feel bad, I didn't know there was an actual term for Leah/Jake shippers until I joined the Lex. :P
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby RebeccaCullen » Mon May 25, 2009 2:20 pm

Jake and Leah hooking up made sense before he imprinted. Both of them were in a similar place by the end of Eclipse because the person they loved was with someone else. If anything, Jake did deserve better then what Bella was doing to him in Breaking Dawn by having him stick around and watch her child kill her.
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby diane771 » Mon May 25, 2009 11:16 pm

Ok, lets say the Cullens disappears and the wolves revert back to just being human. Does that mean that they still imprint or not and if not what about Quil?
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby Renesmee101 » Mon May 25, 2009 11:33 pm

diane771 wrote:Ok, lets say the Cullens disappears and the wolves revert back to just being human. Does that mean that they still imprint or not and if not what about Quil?

Hmmm. Good question. But, I think that once the shoot gene is triggered, it can't be turned off. Which would mean that everyone who's already a shapeshifter would remain so, but everyone else would stay normal. Which would then mean that the imprinting would still be in effect. Which would mean no conflict between Claire and Quil. But if the Cullen's were to skip town, Jacob would go with them, which would mean that Leah and Seth would most likely go, too. And that would be heartbreaking for their mom.
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby diane771 » Mon May 25, 2009 11:50 pm

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diane771 wrote:Ok, lets say the Cullens disappears and the wolves revert back to just being human. Does that mean that they still imprint or not and if not what about Quil?

Hmmm. Good question. But, I think that once the shoot gene is triggered, it can't be turned off. Which would mean that everyone who's already a shapeshifter would remain so, but everyone else would stay normal. Which would then mean that the imprinting would still be in effect. Which would mean no conflict between Claire and Quil. But if the Cullen's were to skip town, Jacob would go with them, which would mean that Leah and Seth would most likely go, too. And that would be heartbreaking for their mom.


I remember something about when Jacob told Bella he couldn't age while he was a wolve but when he wasn't anymore then he would start aging. Does anyone one remember that. I might have to look into that. Because if they start to age again and not phase then there is no need for imprinting. Anyone can help or I will be looking for awhile but I do remember Bella getting mad because Jacob said that he would not age and she was already upset to be older than Edward.
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby ringswraith » Tue May 26, 2009 12:37 am

Stopping phasing and starting aging has no bearing on the fact that they are still shapeshifters, in my opinion.

Remember the story told in Eclipse about the spirit warriors? The old chief (sorry, I forget the name- was it Taha Aki?) was able to phase even after years of remaining human so he could age with his third wife. So this tells me that even if they stopped phasing, imprints will still happen/hold.
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby vampirenerd » Tue May 26, 2009 12:54 am

Yeah, IMO they are always "werewolves", even if they stop phasing they won't ever be "just humans". Once they are able to control their phasing though they can choose not to phase anymore and then they begin to age. The whole point of imprinting is to find someone they can breed with to make the strongest werewolf offspring. So yes they could still imprint after they choose to stop phasing. Though IMO I think most of them would imprint while they're still phasing b/c most of them imprint young and it takes awhile for them to learn to control their phasing enough to stop completely.

Diane, I don't understand your question about Quill? He's already imprinted on Claire correct? So even if the Cullens left he would have already imprinted on Claire so that wouldn't change would it?
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby diane771 » Tue May 26, 2009 1:40 am

vampirenerd wrote:Yeah, IMO they are always "werewolves", even if they stop phasing they won't ever be "just humans". Once they are able to control their phasing though they can choose not to phase anymore and then they begin to age. The whole point of imprinting is to find someone they can breed with to make the strongest werewolf offspring. So yes they could still imprint after they choose to stop phasing. Though IMO I think most of them would imprint while they're still phasing b/c most of them imprint young and it takes awhile for them to learn to control their phasing enough to stop completely.

Diane, I don't understand your question about Quill? He's already imprinted on Claire correct? So even if the Cullens left he would have already imprinted on Claire so that wouldn't change would it?


Yes that's exactly what I am saying right now I am looking for the part where Jacob is telling Bella about aging and everything so I should have it in a few
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby diane771 » Tue May 26, 2009 2:13 am

I found it
When we get enough control to quit... Jacob said When we stop phasing for a solid length of time, we age again

anyway he goes on to say about being protectors of the tribe and that Sam doesn't even have the control yet. He goes on to Tell Bella about Sam, Leah and Emily but it really doesn't say what will happen when they stop phasing and becaome human again and the imprinting bit. Interesting comment by Jacob saying the Sam holds hard feelings towards the vamps because he was in love wth Leah and still regrets breaking her heart.
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Re: Jacob Black

Postby vampirenerd » Tue May 26, 2009 9:21 am

Yeah, they don't imprint until after they phase for the first time. It's like when Jacob was telling Bella about it and he mentioned Jared and Kim and how Kim was just some other girl to Jared until after the first time Jared phased and then the next time he saw her he imprinted on her. So while they don't imprint until after they phase for the first time I guess they could still imprint after they learn enough control to stop.

My only question is how long do you think it takes them to get enough control to stop phasing? I mean if Sam still doesn't have the control it must take awhile. With Jacob and Quil it wouldn't matter so much since they have to wait for their imprints to grow up but what about Sam and Jared and the rest. I mean, while they're learning to control it they're not aging but their imprints are.
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