holdingoutforjacob wrote:Oh my gosh, could you imagine how difficult that would be to follow though?? It would jump around like CARAZY!!!
I try to live by the rule that it pertains most to the character you're thinking most about. So if you're thinking most about Bella and her reactions to the actions of another character, but you have to include the actions and motivations of that character to make your point, it belongs in Bella. But if your thoughts when you're making your post center on a different character, it belongs in their thread. Make sense? I know it can be hard to get used to.... just trying to help!
I'm interested though - what did you think of what I had to say about Jacob?
I told you this in the Bella thread, but I'm hoping you ignore that post in the interest of moving back to the topic of Bella there - my fault for responding no worries! Just hoping you have better sense than me! - but I think you should read Being Jacob Black on SM's website. It really allows for deeper insight into his head. And there's some interesting tidbits in her personal correspondence if you're interested....
I'm being an obnoxious fangirl, I apologize!
Consider that werewolves are NOT the sworn mortal enemies of vampires. Rather, vampires are the sworn mortal enemies of werewolves - they aren't mutually inclusive.
Also, consider that THIS vampire in particular is the one that left Bella for dead in the woods, turned her into a zombie for weeks on end, lied to her, etc. How would it look to you, in Jacob's shoes? Wouldn't what he did to Bella (with wonderful selfless intentions, before I get myself into trouble!) make you believe in the nasty things you've heard about vampires??
Also, I think you're refusing to see Jacob's intentions as anything other than controlling her for the sake of controlling her, which is simply not what they were. I can say that because we've been told that by the creator of these characters - who would know better than her?
holdingoutforjacob wrote:Well, you managed to figure out how to move a discussion from one forum to another, which I still haven't figured out how to do, so I think your double post should certainly be excused!!
I understand how you feel about Jacob - although I was certainly thrown off by your first post pertaining to him!
I absolutely agree that it took Jacob longer to get over his anger towards Edward. There's simply no denying it. I will argue, though, that his was more deeply rooted and more justified.
Like I said, wolves are not the sworn enemies of vampires as it is the other way around. Also, Jacob has more to hate about Edward on a more personal level. Edward has everything Jacob wants - and as Jacob sees it, doesn't treat it very well. Jacob wasn't privy to any information about Edward's reasons for leaving Bella until the tent scene, if ever. Consider also, what Edward's actions at the beginning of Eclipse meant to Jacob. In not allowing Bella to see him, Edward shows him incredible disrespect. He assumes that he knows more about Jacob than Bella, without ever having had a conversation with him except when he was at his most hurt and vulnerable. I'm not denying the sincerity of Edward's gratitude when he thanked Jacob in the forest, but wouldn't you if you were Jacob and Edward followed that "thank you" with the clear message that "Thanks for taking care of her while I was gone, but now I'm back, and I don't respect you enough to even bother to find out for myself if you're capable of handling this. Not only that, but I think that I'm in a position to judge you, and I've judged you unsafe without even knowing you."
Now, obviously we know what was going on in Edward's head, but Jacob doesn't. He doesn't come close until BD, and doesn't have an opportunity to come close until the tent scene in Eclipse. That was the beginning. Then, obviously, there was battle, there was Jacob's leave of absence, then there was the wedding, where he learns that Edward is going to allow Bella to put herself in incredible danger after having promised to take care of her.
I think that his hatred towards Edward would have gone away in BD sooner if Bella hadn't been in so much pain. Jacob blamed him, even though he knew it wasn't truly Edward's fault, so he tries to work beyond that. We see him in his attitude try very hard to be polite to Edward in BD, and we start to see a brotherhood between them in caring for Bella. So as soon as he doesn't have to hate what Edward has done to Bella anymore, he doesn't have to hate Edward anymore.
Also, I think it's more a personal thing between them than a "race" thing. That's why Seth's relationship with them has no real relevance, that's why he can get along with Carlisle very well, that's why he tries so hard to be respectful of Esme. It takes much less to get over that age-old enmity, but a lot more to get over wrongs done to him by Edward. Not that Edward intended to do him wrongs.
I really hope all that made sense.
Like I said, wolves are not the sworn enemies of vampires as it is the other way around.
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