Liv-wa wrote:I see the Jacob board is back and going strong [:
As my first post after Breaking Dawn defending Jake:
How could people not like, if not love him after the book was done and over with. I mean come on, he gave up EVERYTHING for Bella. Most people would have looked the other way. I couldn't even imagine having to turn my back on my family to protect this species that is supposed to be your mortal enemy. I don't think I would have been able to do it.
holdingoutforjacob wrote:FIRST of all, jacob did not in any way attack bella at any time during eclipse EVER. i find that very offensive. what jaocb did was NOT assault, it was a case of mixed signals. assault is something done with the intent to injure or hurt the person you are assaulting, and that obviously was NOT the case here. that is extremely offensive, way out of line, ignorant, and, most importantly, against the manifesto.
agentcross, you have seriously offended me, so i'm trying very hard in my next comment to be reserved.
i don't think you understand jacob's intentions at all. jacob always knew how bella and edward felt about each other. he also always knew that if bella stayed with edward, he'd turn her into a vampire. he was trying to save her life, not win her just because he wanted to be with her, but SAVE HER LIFE.
in what way did the tent scene "really help" jacob?? it really hurt him. he thought he and edward had come to some prickly truce, and then edward was incredibly manipulative and mean to him. jacob always knew how in love they were. he didn't need to hear about the "top ten nights they've spent together" that's just sick.
jacob's main goal was to save her life, and the only way he could see that she would choose life was for her to realize she was in love with him too. and when she realizes she does, and tells him so, but says it's just not enough, he says he understands, and he backs off. he accepts it. he even says they can probably work out a "long distance friendship".
oh, by the way, by "next best thing" i didn't mean that he loved bella more in any way or was settling for her over bella or anything. i think that in a natural world, they would have had true love, which is rare enough in itself (they would be sort of a westley/buttercup sort of thing...if anyone gets that). but then fate shifted slightly, and jacob ended up being meant for the closest thing to bella - her daughter. i hope that made more sense.
liv-wa, cataclysm, so good to see you guys back!
holdingoutforjacob wrote:look, i have known people who have been assaulted for real, and for all you know, i'm one of them. do not tell me to calm down about that, or anything for that matter. it IS NOT OK to apply that to a case of mixed signals. it is ignorant and offensive, and i feel that you were very wrong for doing that, and i feel that dismissing the fact that i am offended and telling me to calm down was uncalled for and condescending.
bella isn't the omnipotent decider of what is and is not assault. if she feels she was assaulted, fine, but you know what, we both know she wasn't. her father's the police chief for crying out loud. jacob told charlie, and he didn't find it to be assault. don't you think he would know?
but you're right about something - bella knows that he didn't mean to kiss her when she didn't want him to. so she knows that whatever she may have felt about it, she wasn't actually assaulted. her intelligent, rational side won out on that one, as it should have. what a person feels about something and what something is are not necessarily the same thing.
her reaction to it was one of someone who didn't want to be kissed, and it's fair for her not to want to be kissed. i would probably feel assaulted too, and there's nothing wrong with that. but that wouldn't make it assault, or an attack, and it's not fair to stick jacob with that label, as assault is an intent to cause damage to a person.
was that what jacob was doing? no, i didn't think so.
but on a different note, did you read what i said about the other stuff?
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