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Re: Discrepancies

Postby Seeker-Mar » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:06 pm

dandyvampgirl_13 wrote:I would assume the Volturi has done research on exactly how flammable vampires are, but they prefer to keep it to themselves

Oh, sick! Do you think they are that twisted? Yeah, they would be that twisted, wouldn't they! :lol:
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Openhome wrote:However, if, if, vamps have this one weakness, their form of kryptonite, then the whole secrecy thing makes a lot more sense.

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Re: Discrepancies

Postby andypalmer » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:07 am

I would guess burning napalm, if you could get it on a vampire, would kill one. I suspect that they could make it through "standard" fire relatively unharmed, as long as they were not "bleeding venom" but also suspect that more extreme heat would damage their outer "stone-like" skin and set their venom alight. So, humans armed with flamethrowers, incendiary grenades, and the like would be a threat, albeit only in numbers - vampire super-speed is a potent weapon.

Plus keep in mind that these are weapons that humans have designed without vampire-slaying in mind. If a war were to occur, within six months we'd have:
- white phosphorous rounds for guns (high heat)
- napalm filled bullets (think the UV or silver-nitrate bullets from Underworld)
- gyrojet weapons (think guns with bullets an inch or more in diameter, designed to hit harder and with bullets that could hold napalm or some other substance)

A bunch of guys spraying automatic fire at a vampire are going to hit with some of those bullets; if any individual bullets can get the fire going, the vampire would be in trouble.
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Re: Discrepancies

Postby December » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:09 am

This flammability business must be post-Ec, yes? I have NO recollection of hearing about it. Stephenie did say in one of the Personal Correspondences that a bomb would be hot enough to burn a vampire (if you could catch one), but at that stage in her thinking there's no mention of their being highly flammable in the right circumstances. Certainly the implication is that you wouldn't get very far with a cigarette lighter.

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Re: Discrepancies

Postby andypalmer » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:27 am

I will just note that Stephenie is not one of us XY types and, by her own admission, not a fan of the horror and hardcore action genres, so her mind is not going to conjure the same scenarios as those of us who watch the Underworld trilogy and such :D
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Re: Discrepancies

Postby December » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:10 pm

Er, yeah. I think you're right on several counts here.
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Re: Discrepancies

Postby Openhome » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:57 pm

andypalmer wrote:I would guess burning napalm, if you could get it on a vampire, would kill one. I suspect that they could make it through "standard" fire relatively unharmed, as long as they were not "bleeding venom" but also suspect that more extreme heat would damage their outer "stone-like" skin and set their venom alight. So, humans armed with flamethrowers, incendiary grenades, and the like would be a threat, albeit only in numbers - vampire super-speed is a potent weapon.

Plus keep in mind that these are weapons that humans have designed without vampire-slaying in mind. If a war were to occur, within six months we'd have:
- white phosphorous rounds for guns (high heat)
- napalm filled bullets (think the UV or silver-nitrate bullets from Underworld)
- gyrojet weapons (think guns with bullets an inch or more in diameter, designed to hit harder and with bullets that could hold napalm or some other substance)

A bunch of guys spraying automatic fire at a vampire are going to hit with some of those bullets; if any individual bullets can get the fire going, the vampire would be in trouble.


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Re: Discrepancies

Postby ringswraith » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:56 pm

That's a pretty big "if." Even with all that firepower (pun intended) they still have to somehow manage to score a hit. Your average TW vampire should be able to avoid (and/or counterattack) all that.
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Re: Discrepancies

Postby andypalmer » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:49 pm

ringswraith wrote:That's a pretty big "if." Even with all that firepower (pun intended) they still have to somehow manage to score a hit. Your average TW vampire should be able to avoid (and/or counterattack) all that.
Oh yeah - certainly no "single vampire hunter"thing. I'm thinking 12 highly trained guys with fully automatic weapons with a 1 in 4 chance of taking one down. Even with "Matrix-type" reflexes, if you put enough bullets in the air, you can't dodge them all.
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Re: Discrepancies

Postby ringswraith » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:54 pm

I still think that's highly doubtful. No vampire is going to let themselves be caught in such a situation, and all it would take is for one vamp to get inside that group to decimate them.
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Re: Discrepancies

Postby andypalmer » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:31 pm

Oh - I just thought - SONIC weapons. Produce a really loud noise at a frequency that humans can't hear but vampires can; use their advantages against them. We have the technology, we can beat them. It would be akin to fighting the Predators; we'd lose 100 or more for every one of them, but we'd win in the end.

Sorry, give me enough time to think about this kind of thing, and I'll figure enough stuff out. Too many books, too much time playing RPGs, etc. :-)
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