The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby misspikaboo » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:46 pm

Hmmm. Good point. I could see that.

ringswraith wrote:I do not see Jane wishing for the Cullens' destruction as something she would want. In all honesty the only person that ever irked her there was Bella. I could see her wanting Bella to be killed, but I don't see her extending that want to the rest of the family.


But the Cullens could be a threat to her position. Jane's only loyalty is to Aro and everything she does is in some way to improve her standing with him. She disliked Bella because of Aro's interest in her - and because she couldn't hurt her. But Aro has interest in Edward and Alice too; Catlisle is an old friend of Aro's. I think Jane is insecure as her master's eyes aren't focused on her. And with a coven half full of vampires who could potentially be her rivals, it only makes sense that she would encourage Victoria's advances - she wants the Cullens out of the way, but not enough to upset her master be destroying them herself.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby TeamBellaAllTheWay » Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:57 pm

The Volturi just seem to be motivated by jealousy and feelings of inadequacy. Jane is annoyed that Bella can block out her torture with her mental shield, Aro is 'fascinated' but annoyed that Bella can block out his talent, and they know that Edward's and Alice's gifts are worth just as much as their own guards'. Moreover, they pretend to be amused by the Cullens' 'vegetarian' lifestyle, yet they are no doubt stunned at the amount of self control and determination they have achieved.
Not only that, the Cullens refuse to join the Volturi. Their respect for human life undoubtedly angers and confuses them and they cannot even begin to understand why vampires would want to lead such a lifestyle. Along with the fact that a human girl goes around with them, who they didn't have a clear intention to change into a vampire, haha. :D
So it is hardly surpirising that they work with Victoria to kill them off. It seems like they view clans like the Olympic and Denali as 'cheaters,' not being faithful to their nature.
I always knew they were dodgy.
Also, does anyone understand why Jane killed Bree? It didn't really seem like she had any particular feelings of hatred on the matter. Was she just bored?
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby fertarno » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:48 pm

Its kind of obvious Jane killed Bree because Bree knew that The Volturi let this all happen and if Bree was left to live then she can tell The Cullens what had happened but Edward picked this up anyway and Jane knows this.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby ringswraith » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:41 pm

Actually, we don't know that Jane (or any of the Volturi Guard with her) knew that Bree was present for her little talk with Victoria. Had she known, I believe Bree would not have survived as long as she did.

There's also the chance that Jane (or again, anyone with her) could have slipped and thought about said conversation while in the clearing with the Cullens, thus alerting Edward to their true intentions.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby Openhome » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:10 pm

Honestly, I think Bree was killed for two reasons. First, she was killed because the Cullens were protecting her, and Jane hates them. Second, she was killed simply because she could be killed. It was a power play, and a warning to the Cullens. She was killed to prove to Bella and the others that the Volturi don't give second chances.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby Kate » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:23 pm

Openhome wrote:Honestly, I think Bree was killed for two reasons. First, she was killed because the Cullens were protecting her, and Jane hates them. Second, she was killed simply because she could be killed. It was a power play, and a warning to the Cullens. She was killed to prove to Bella and the others that the Volturi don't give second chances.


That's my opinion too... :)
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby Uushia » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:53 pm

Aro left Jane in charge so that Alice would not know the actions of the Volturi on the matter. So what many presume is Aro had her go knowing what she would do. Probably not. Any correspondence and decisive action could potentially be seen by Alice. They seem to practice caution in concern to Alice so do not think Aro had a devious plan to wipe out members of the coven. He already had the plan inset to attack when a law was broken, as seen in BD. So trying for then in EC is premature and completely Jane's own jeolosy. If anything when Aro meets Edward in BD he would probably see how terribly Jane had failed him then. He may not have liked Jane's actions, but wouldn't give punishment until after BD. Jane tipped the Cullens off to a large degree and villainized the coven, ruining the chances of recruitment. Aro is calculating but not vidictive. So I agree with misspikaboo that Aro had no part in the attack on the Cullens because he could potentially lose his gains. He prefers to select those who will be given mercy. Also Aro had spoken an interest in Bella's ability while human, Jane and Alec are the only ones seen thus far to be given such complements. Which made Bella to be known to be a potential future powerhouse. This is probably spawns much of Jane's jeolosy and her attack. To Jane the coven is a large threat and to Aro an interest.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby funkidiva » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:03 am

When I read the bit about the Volturi in the house with Riley and Victoria I was surprised to read that the Volturi gave the go ahead for Victoria's army to destroy the Cullens. Call me thick but I didn't realise the Volturi disliked the Cullens so much that they wanted them gone. I thought Aro and Carlise were friends, as such too. Now I understand why the Volturi had impeccable timing when they showed up in the clearing.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby Silver Rose » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:43 pm

I don't find it hard to believe that the Volturi don't like the Cullens. I think Aro and Caius see them as a threat. They are the biggest vampire coven besides them and four of them have very useful gifts that Aro wants. Edward says in BD that they were likely to come back and try to take them out. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that but left all the vampires alive that they want to keep.
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Re: The Volturi: Not As Clueless As we Thought

Postby BeautifulGoldenEyes » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:56 pm

I don't believe Aro had anything to do with it or wanted the Cullens to be killed. To me his friendship with Carlisle seems genuine and I don't think Aro wanted to kill him. When he sent Jane and the others out there to stop the newborns he left Jane in charge to make decisions. If he had sent them out there to have Victoria and Riley have the newborns kill the Cullen's, Alice would have seen it beforehand since she was watching Aro's decisions. I read some interviews with Stephenie Meyer (the link is here: http://twilightseriestheories.com/2010/ ... s-volturi/) and she said that Jane hates Alice more than Bella or Edward since she threatens her position the most. Jane wanted Alice to die more than any of them but Aro would have killed her if she didn't do anything about the newborns. Also, I agree that when Jane had Bree killed, she just did it because Bree was there and she could be killed.
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