Twilight<3 wrote:No, I know. That's the exact point I was trying to make about Alice's visions. That the future isn't constant and her visions change as people's decisions change. I was just relating that back to Bella's decisions because if there is free will demonstrated in Alice's visions, then that would mean Bella would have free will, as well. So it wouldn't be fate, but free will. Haha, I wasn't bringing up Alice's visions randomly. I was only trying to prove a point - sorry if there was a misunderstanding!
Oh, there is no "right" or "sane" answer. It's all very subjective and we are just having a discussion where we both view things differently, that's all. But, see, I would say our actions or decisions have consequences, whether good or bad, and that's what Alice sees. The consequences of our actions, so we would have free will. And I would say fate is following a "line" of events, if you will, where you can't stray from that path. So, if Alice can see several pathways, I wouldn't say life is predetermined in the way Stephenie Meyer has set it up. Fate doesn't consist of multiple possibilities.
Ok. I think I can see where the confusion came in to this discussion. I do no think that fate and destiny are the same thing. I agree that fate doesn't consist of multiple possibilities. It is a unchanging path of events that impact the subject that lead to a predetermined outcome. But I believe that destiny is where the subject, in this case Bella, actively participating and making decisions that will lead to a predetermined or desired outcome.
I also happen to think that people over use the word destiny so that it sounds "cheesy"
so I hesitate to use the term. But since I'm going to use it...I'll go all out. You can change your destiny by choosing a different path but you can not escape your fate.
My reasoning, even with Alice's visions, is that there is never a point where Alice doesn't see Bella becoming one of them, well, except at the beginning when she sees her dead and probably during New Moon when they are gone. But in all the other futures, that we know of, she see multiple possibilities of when it will happen and how, but not that it will. Because Bella has chosen and she never wavered in that decision knowing that it is the only way that she can be with Edward.
I don't believe that she ever gives up on the determination that her destiny is to be with Edward, even in New Moon. She believes that he leaves her because she can't keep up with him, is too soft...fragile. In her mind, that means she is not good enough for him. Why would an extraordinary creature like Edward want an ordinary human?? But if she is turned he'll be "forced to deal with her" (or rather his feelings for her) because he won't be able to leave her behind. She won't let him...
"If Alice made good on her promise - and if she didn't kill me - then Edward could run after his distractions all he wanted and I could follow. I wouldn't let him be distracted. Maybe, when I was beautiful and strong, he wouldn't want distractions
I suppose that I just couldn't see their story ending without a better resolution, so I knew that somehow they would be together because I knew that Edward wasn't leaving because he didn't love her. He was leaving because it's what was best for her, what would keep her safest. But he changed her as much as she changed him, so reasoning is that her delusions not only brought her temporary relief from the pain, which is all she thought she wanted, but also permanent relief in the inevitable reunion with Edward, which was her "destiny". So the decisions she made, even subconsciously, were drawing her towards a reunion. I think that's why she wouldn't let herself forget anything about him. In Twilight she states, "I do a good job of blocking painfull, unnecessary things from my memory.
" But though painful, she wouldn't block the memory of him because she needed to know that he existed to survive. By not blocking that memory, she allows the path to him to remain open.
Am I really the only one that sees this?