corona wrote: VS, After reading your other comments, I have to say you convinced me, Rosalie is a "Jacob girl". Much of what you said mirrored the arguments for Bella choosing Jacob. Ironic, isn't it?
corona wrote: I get your point, though. Assuming that Rosalie literally means it when she says she wishes someone had voted NO for her, even with Emmett sitting right there beside her, then she would rather be in the grave than living the life she has with Emmett. And she does repeat that view in EC. If so, then all other considerations are moot.
corona wrote: Emmett's view of Rosalie isn't going to be the view of other human men necessarily. She was incredibly lucky in that regard. I fear she may end up in a loveless marriage. I'm not saying another Royce, but what kind of men is she going to attract?
NO motherhood-vampire-bond strong enough to make the individual content about their vampire life. Mopey Rosalie and Edward, (Edward, who looks up to Carlisle reverently), are examples for me that such a bond does NOT exist. Edward's and Rosalie's mates had alot to do with their contentment as vampires.
Tornado wrote:Yes, but that doesn't mean that she couldn't take under her wing some vampires who had already been turned, like Alice and Jasper.
Tornado wrote:I disagree. MS shows clearly that Edward appreciates the mothering he receives from Esme and father-example he receives from Carlisle. That he (or Rosalie) is discontented is not related to his inability to accept and appreciate parenting from Carlisle and Esme. Such a point of view would suggest that any child who was discontented for any reason was an example of failure in parenting. Does a discontented child really mean that they haven't bonded with their parents?
Jazz Girl wrote:And, even after Ness is born, she uses Ness' affection almost as a weapon, particularly against the mongrel. She's willing to share with the rest of the family, well aware of her position as aunt rather than mother. But what choice does she have?
Jazz Girl wrote:She was fighting for her little fantasy, completely ignoring the messy and painful reality of bringing that new life into the world because she didn't have to do it.
Jazz Girl wrote:Honestly, one of the people I've always felt the most sympathy for in the entire Saga is Emmett. I want to believe she's just a completely different person behind closed doors.
Violet Sunlight wrote:It does if she prefers to mother children from infancy. Mothering young adults and mothering children from infancy are two very different experiences. Some people, like Esme, are okay with substituting one for the other, though all the while missing the experience of the other, and some people, like Rosalie, are not okay with substituting. I don’t see why NOT substituting or substituting is better, or worse, than the other, regardless of character strengths and weaknesses. Like I said, it’s just a matter of preference.
Violet Sunlight wrote:es, as I said before, I too DON’T negate that the parent/child-vampire-bond is present in Carlisle, Esme, Edward and Rosalie and the rest of them. The point I am making is, the parent/child-vampire-bond ALONE is NOT strong enough for them to be content with living with the ever present painful and repulsive condition as yellow-eyed vampires do. It is not just simply a matter of being discontented at the lifestyle one’s parents choose for oneself. Which by the way, one can choose to stop following as soon as one gets out of the house.
corona wrote:Exactly. I don't see Rosalie as being the ally there, she is the tool that Bella uses to bring her pregnancy to full term. Rosalie isn't prepared for the actual delivery. There's that "tunnel vision" thing again. My take on the delivery isn't that Jacob kicks her out of the room, it's Stephenie. Your job is done, and you aren't worthy to stay any longer. The scene changes and becomes one of saving Bella's life, and only those who love her can stay. Rosalie returns to collect the baby, then leaves.
corona wrote:Ummm, apparently Emmett is perfectly satisfied with her behind closed doors.
Jazz Girl wrote:But, Esme also loved Bella in a way that Rosalie never could or would,
Jazz Girl wrote:because Emmett was able to get under her skin in a way no one else could,
Violet Sunlight wrote:The point I am making is, the parent/child-vampire-bond ALONE is NOT strong enough for them to be content with living with the ever present painful and repulsive condition as yellow-eyed vampires do.
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