smitten_by_twilight wrote:corona wrote:Here I think is a chink in that MS argument. Bella is healed of all physical ailments during the transformation, and that would have made things simply worse for her, like when her spine is healed and the pain doubles. Toleration of pain based on a physical ailment (insensitivity) wouldn't have helped Bella there, it would have made things worse once the ailment was removed.
Brilliant! Yes, she would have experienced pain differently and more intensely after being of healed of such a thing during transformation.
Jazz Girl wrote: Violet Sunlight~ That is a very interesting theory. It is a very astute observation that Bella's struggles with blood as a human might giver her at least some sort of preparation for the struggles she might have as a vampire. One of Bella's many talents as a human was denying her own distress to focus on helping others she perceived in more distress or danger than she was. Denying her own pain, turning away from it, was a gift of sorts of hers. So, as that characteristic would be one of the many things that strengthened through her change, it makes sense that she woudl continue that in many different ways as a vampire. Well played.
corona wrote:The true king of self-control is Carlisle, able to withstand the initial onslaught of pain sufficiently to hide himself and then stay quiet throughout the entire ordeal. As far as we know, Carlisle is unique in that aspect.
corona wrote:You could say the morphine makes the question moot, since by the time Bella could actually scream out her enhanced brain is capable of compartmentalizing the pain. I would assume she would have been screaming out at the beginning if she hadn't had the morphine in her system, as the pain was overwhelming.
Her true accomplishment was remaining absolutely still during the last half of her transformation. I'm not sure if even Carlisle did that, but there does seem to be additional control added once the brain catches up with the body and is able to actually think again.
But without that morphine, what would have happened? She does scream out in the first book. A lot.
"My hand is burning!” I screamed, finally breaking through the last of the darkness, my eyes fluttering open.
"The fire! Someone stop the fire!” I screamed as it burned me.
I writhed in the grip of the fiery torture, the movement making the pain in my leg flare sickeningly.
“Edward!” I screamed.
At first the pain was worse. I screamed and thrashed against the cool hands that held me back.
P.S. Personally, I see a contradiction in Bella's description of the transformation and Carlisle's experience of it, although I don't dispute the canon. According to Bella the pain is overwhelming and bewildering to the point where you eventually lose all sense of self except for the desire to have the pain stop, that death is actually preferable. During that period of time nothing else existed for her (not even Edward) except pain. If you lose all sense of self, then self-control goes with it, meaning that Carlisle couldn't have prevented himself from screaming and thrashing around. He might even have preferred being found and destroyed rather than go through it, if he could have been conscious of such a thought.
I went back to BD to confirm, and found that Bella tells us she definitely would have been screaming, had wanted to scream, during that initial period, it was only being paralyzed by the morphine that prevented that.
marielle wrote:I always thought that she was genetically different. One of my main reasons was the fact that she was able to smell blood.
GrayceM wrote:I had another thought though...it would almost seem as though there would be a wave of relief once the venom changed and healed you. You know, if it changes and heals then the burning should have started with the changing process, and then immediately stopped once it was through changing that cell or section. Though, granted, the venom did start out in her heart and had to work out to her nerves...but you would think that once her body was changed and the venom is racing back to her heart, it would have stopped hurting...I'll have to think on that one some more.
GrayceM wrote:I thought it was odd that everyone thought Bella was odd for being able to smell blood... or is it just me and most people really can't actually smell blood?
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