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Re: Would you really want to become a vampire???

Postby vampbball » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:33 pm

Absolutely not. Yes, the Cullens are able to abstain from taking human life for the most part, but how many other vampires share that ability? Even Edward expected Bella to slip up at least a few times. Becoming a vampire - for nearly everyone - means becoming a murderer. Becoming a monster is way too high a price to pay for immortality.

Which Bella recognizes - finally! - in New Moon, when she asks how Gianna can want a vampire life, seeing and knowing what she does. Her single-minded love for Edward had blinded Bella to vampire realities, and I for one was gratified that she finally saw the truth of the situation.
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Re: Would you really want to become a vampire???

Postby boo » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:49 am

It's tempting. I have a progressive disease that is slowly disabling me. One of the many reasons I love the books is that my mind can go to a world where I can imagine what it would be like to chuck my wheelchair and just run. I would want my husband to come with me, though. It's like Bella said; there would be no point to forever without him.
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Re: Would you really want to become a vampire???

Postby vampbball » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:27 pm

Hi all. I know this thread is long dead, but I found an article that I thought would help explain why I think choosing to become a vampire is in almost every case an immoral decision (and why Edward was right in trying so hard to dissuade Bella). I've long thought that the appropriate analogy to a "vegetarian vampire" is a "gold-star pedophile," a person who is sexually attracted to children but who does not act on that attraction. This person recognizes that acting on his desires would be incredibly harmful to the child, and so he denies a fundamental part of himself, his sexual orientation, in order to protect innocents. But I didn't think that a lot of these types of people were around until I ran across this article in Salon: http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet_pe ... mean_well/ All men interviewed for this article are non-offenders.

To be a vegetarian vampire, you have to be self-negating in a way that almost anyone would consider masochistic; a respect for human life requires that you deny the very essence of who you are. Being a human vegetarian does not compare; we can live perfectly well without animal meat. Even being a human heroin addict doesn't quite compare; taking heroin harms yourself and no one else has to sacrifice their life for your habit. To be a vampire is to be a monster and so to choose it is a monstrous choice. I've often wondered about Carlisle's ethics; he saw vampirism as so awful as to require his own suicide, but then went on to make several more vampires over whom he will ultimately have no control? His inconsistency here is one of the most "human" things about him. :(

Anyways, those are my thoughts! I'm glad that Bella found a "happily ever after," but the more objectively you think about her choice, the crazier it seems. (Remember even she at first was a little worried she would attack Renesmee, the daughter she nearly sacrificed her own life in order to bring into existence.)

Update: Whoa, I'm blown away! This is a quote from one of the founders of the website referred to in the article, "I consider pedophilia to be similar in certain respects to diabetes. It's a serious chronic condition, but a manageable one. Another helpful comparison is the Cullens in the Twilight saga: vampires who are able to resist their thirst for human blood and live morally upstanding lives." http://www.virped.org/index.php/who-we-are
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Re: Would you really want to become a vampire???

Postby vampbball » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:41 pm

You know for me, Edward's own words are the clincher, "Just because we've been dealt a certain hand it doesn't mean that we can't choose to rise above - to conquer the boundaries of a destiny none of us wanted." (Twilight, Chap. 14)

Bella wanted it (though not in "Gianna" form), and wanting that destiny imposes a greater moral burden than not wanting it. I can completely understand why Bella's choice would have been so incomprehensible to Edward, when he and any of the Cullens would have given (almost) anything to regain mortality.
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Re: Would you really want to become a vampire???

Postby JustcallmeRiley » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:10 am

If I were given the choice I would want to be a vampire.But of course there's a possibility you could be put in a newborn army and you wouldn't be given long to live you could be the Jasper or Riley of the newborn army tricked into thinking that deceiving the newborn vampires is okay and you'd be nothing but a puppet. You could be left with absolutely no memory of your family and friends, you wouldn't remember your children (if you have any) your partner or anybody you love but they would be left with so many un-answered questions about what happened to you, they would be left there whole lives with no idea what happened to you. Or you could be in a situation like Bella. You could be like Esme, Rosalie, Edward and Emmett with no other choice besides death. I would probably do it
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Re: Would you really want to become a vampire???

Postby michelle » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:02 pm

In the past few months this thought crossed my mind so many times:
-when I heard of the girls abducted in Nigeria by some lunatics
-when I heard about the incidence in India, with innocent girls who were raped and killed
and unfortunately the list goes on...

Do you remember Bella's thoughts in NM?
"I had to swallow back the bile that rose in my throat. I wanted to take a swing at him. No, I wanted to do more than that. More than anything, I wanted to be fierce and deadly. Someone no one would dare mess with. Someone who would scare Sam Uley silly. I wanted to be a vampire".

I know we should not play God, but I can totally relate to Bella on this.

(Of course Edward practiced it and changed his mind, but he was able to hear people's thoughts. And moreover his was "raised" by Carlisle...)
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