by diane771 » Thu May 14, 2009 12:24 pm
[color=#FF0000]Leavign Bella is by defintion an act of control, albeit not the best decision he is ever to make. I truly think his leaving is a knee jerk reaction that not all the Cullen's agreed with but did support for Edwards sake.
Well how can you call an intelligent, selfless decision of loving someone more than anything, and by loving them so much it comes down to either you leaving or you staying and putting the person you love in more danger? I just don't see your way of thinking its just not logical. It took Edward days to make that decision because he was going to leave the best thing that ever happened to him. How is that controling when the person you love has blinders on? Did your parents tell you something that you didn't like but when you think about it now it was for your own good?[/color]
>diane771, I don’t see his leaving as an intelligent, selfless decision of loving someone more than anything. Rather, I see it as a selfish, self serving act that puts Bella in harms way. He was not able to deal with the situation anymore and just decided without her input to run away. Selfless, how on earth is his leaving selfless? Destructive, harmful and immature maybe but selfless, I just can follow that logic at all. Loving someone more that anything is about finding a way to make things work, not running away from hard times.
Yes my parent told me many things that I didn’t understand at the time. An old wise tail that holds water goes like this. From the ages of 14 to 24 your parents seem to be the stupidest people on the earth and from the age of 25 on they are simply brilliant.
Let us come to a straight out the book point that is not disputable. Edward is a bad guy. Yep, I said it. He states it often in Twilight; he admits he wanted to kill Bella on more than one occasion. He admits to murder. He commits grand theft. These are facts that are not disputable. I for one think his leaving Bella in NM a high crime. His selfish attitude nearly cost Bella her life to Lawrence and later to Victoria. It was only due to the fates that she lived at all. So, to me he is a bad guy, albeit with some good traits. I’m sure this section will get some responses. I look forward to seeing fact based opinions on this…
[color=#0000FF]Edward had killed people before, but he had changed, he never killed someone just for food, Don't you believe people can change?? Yes he told Bella that he wanted to kill her, to me that is a man who is honest enough to let them know how he feels, and yet she saw the good in him and said it didn't matter. Did he ever try and kill her? No ! A high crime as I said before if he stayed and something happened to Bella then you would be saying why didn't he leave after his own brother tried to attack her. So there is no way to please you, but Edward did the right thing and stop saying he left for selfish reasons that is just not true. Yes Laurant did come back and he would have come back anyway even if Edward was there. Since you say Edward was so controling I guess he would have been her 24 hr round the clock jailer and keeping her locked up so she couldn't be away from him, that way Laurant couldn't kill her. She fell for Edward first, she encouraged the relationship, he told her the truth about himself killing and all the dirty laundry, but it didn't matter to Bella so those are the facts Dark Knight. So what other "facts" are you going to tell me about Edward that I know or don't know about in your reading, and I do agree everybody has their opinions and Everybody see's their favorite character in a different light, and this is good and I mean not to demean your thoughts about Edward and Bella, but only show you my feelings and also facts that are in the book and what I stated are facts, I did state opinions of mine if Edward had stayed but the way you go on about how Edward was so wrong about leaving there are two sides to a coin.[/color]
Yes I think people can change but that does not relieve them of the acts they have already committed. They are personally responsible for their actions both good and bad. It’s about consequences and atonement you might be looking for here. Are you trying to talk to atonement when you speak of Edward?
I do see it as a high crime for him to leave for the one reason that his action caused such harm. diane771 you state, “So there is no way to please you,” well that’s not true. If he stayed and nothing happened to kill Bella from his mistake I would be satisfied.
You have to admit, Edward was around Bella nearly 24 hours a day with just a few exceptions. I would not call him a jailor but rather maybe a guard of sort, I believe she calls him her personal guardian angle. She would not have been in the meadow by herself if Edward had not left.
It’s mentioned in the books several times that Bella has poor judgement about her self preservation. Edward’s states something like, “Accident prone don’t cover it, more like trouble magnet.” I will admit that love has not bounds and that in this case it has blinders too.
diane771, you are welcome to think of Edward in anyway you like. That’s the fun of these discussions, seeing from alternative view points. I can only hope you didn’t get too hot under the collar.
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